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Author:  JCAllison [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Where to find a Holley 1920 Carburetor?
Hey All,
Today at 3:30 p.m. Sunday, March 25, 2012, Lorrie Van Haul's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine roared to life for the first time in sixteen years.

She has been sleeping patiently since September 3, 1996, waiting to be reawakened.

Lorrie Van Haul, is one of only two known 1967 Dodge P200 Postal Vans that have been found on the World Wide Web.

She came to live with me in 1975, and was running when she was parked on September 3, 1996.

Have spent the last two years completely refurbishing Lorrie.

Everything that needed fixing got fixed.

It finally come down to today when the Condenser in the Distributor got replaced, and with a bit of help from a small amount of Starting Fluid, she fairly leaped to life, ran for about a minute and then died.

She later ran for about five minutes before dying. She won't idle, and she won't rev up. Then it wasnoticed that her Holley 1920 Carburetor's Float Bowl was leaking badly.

The Carburetor had been rebuilt at the beginning of Lorrie refurbishment two years ago, and at that time the fuel delivery mechanism in the throat of the carburetor was eaten away by Berrymans ChemDip.

Tried to fabricate a replacement mechanism for it, but today's failure to run properly shows that the fabricated replacement is not working. The Carburetor is toast!

Lorrie simply NEEDS a new or re-manufactured Holley 1920 to be whole again.

Have looked at NAPA, AutoZone, and O'Reilly's websites and have not found any.

There are some listed on Ebay, but I don't trust Ebay.

Is there someone here who could point us (Lorrie and me) in the right direction to obtain one?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

JC Allison
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:26 pm ]
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"Remanufactured" carburetors are junk. Don't waste your time or money.

Need particulars on your truck's configuration with regard to air cleaner and throttle and choke arrangements -- please post clear, sharp pictures of the carburetor with air cleaner removed. Show the top of the carb where the air cleaner attaches, the choke hookup, and the throttle hookup. If you can't post pics, send them to me at 62lancer (at) gmail (dot) com . I may (or may not) have a new carburetor to suit.
Author:  JCAllison [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:28 am ]
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"Remanufactured" carburetors are junk. Don't waste your time or money.
Hey Mr. SSD,
That is the impression that I've gathered from the research that has been done.
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Need particulars on your truck's configuration with regard to air cleaner and throttle and choke arrangements
Alright.
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please post clear, sharp pictures of the carburetor with air cleaner removed.
Alright.
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Show the top of the carb where the air cleaner attaches,
Alright.
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the choke hookup, and the throttle hookup.
Alright
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If you can't post pics, send them to me at 62lancer (at) gmail (dot) com .
I CAN post JPGs.

Dan, permit a digression here: There is another salient factor in this whole thing. When the present Holley 1920 Carburetor was rebuilt at the beginning of this two year (so far) project, the Berryman's Chem Dip Carburetor Cleaner "ate" the Fuel Distribution System in the Throat of the Carburetor away.

I fabricated what came to be called the "Micro Tonsil" as an attempt to salvage the unit. That seems to work, as Lorrie DID Run yesterday for about one minute the first time that she started and later ran for about five minutes before it was noticed that the Float Bowl was once again leaking. Although she wouldn't idle, and she wouldn't rev up. Am thinking that the Micro Tonsil is NOT satisfactory.

Also, click here for an extended number of JPGs of the Holley 1920 that is presently on Lorrie Van Haul:

http://msamericanpi.bravehost.com/1920carb.htm

[NOTE: At the very end of this extended number of JPGs of the unit that is in Lorrie Van Haul, is a whole series of JPGs of the Micro Tonsil]
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I may (or may not) have a new carburetor to suit.
That would be WONDERFUL!

Must tell you that yesterday, when Lorrie first started up, she ran for about a minute, and then it was noticed that the Float Bowl Gasket was leaking. More about that a bit further on.

Dan, am concerned about the residue left by the evaporated Gasoline that was in the Fuel Tank when the NEW Fuel was added here recently.

The Fuel Tank was dry from sitting for sixteen years.

When Lorrie was parked on September 3, 1996, she couldn't have had very much Gasoline in the Fuel Tank because she had just been driven from San Marcos, and there wouldn't have been a lot of Fuel left in the tank after that long trip.

Prior to putting NEW Gasoline into the Fuel Tank, a neoprene hose with a bar magnet in the end of it was put into the tank and "snaked" around, and when it came out, there was no rust flakes on the magnet.

Yesterday, when it was initially noticed yesterday that the Gasket on the Float Bowl was leaking, the Holley 1920 Carburetor was removed. At that time, when the Float Bowl was emptied, it was noticed that the Gasoline that had been in the Float Bowl was Brown in color.

The Brown color of the Gasoline that came out of the float bowl was probably NOT rust, but a "varnish" residue from the evaporated Gasoline that was in the Fuel Tank when Lorrie was parked in 1996.

AND the Gasoline that is NOW in the transparent In-Line Fuel Filter is Clear in color.

What do YOU think about this situation?

In an attempt to fix yesterday morning's leak , a thin layer of Permatex High Temp Silicone Gasket Maker was applied to the Gasket Groove on the Carburetor Body, and to the Gasket Groove in the Float Bowl, The Gasket was then put into the Groove on the Body and the Float Bowl reattached.

And then Lorrie was restarted and ran for about five minutes before it was noticed that the Float Bowl Gasket was again leaking. Lorrie was shut down and that's where this all sits presently.

Also, when Lorrie was running for about five minutes, she wouldn't idle, and she wouldn't rev up. She was running at about 1,500 RPMs

Anyway, I want to thank you for your prompt response. Will get the JPGs that you requested this morning and will post them as soon as I can.

Hope this finds YOU doing well.

Take excellent care.

JC
Author:  JCAllison [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:41 am ]
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Hey SlantSixDan,
Here are the JPGs that you requested.

This first one is of the Throttle Linkage. The Clevis moves forward, and pulls the rod to the Carburetor's Throttle down:

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This next one is of the Choke Linkage:

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This next on is where the Air Cleaner mounts:

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This next one is of the Throttle Linkage.

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This last one is a wider shot of everything:

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Hope these are sufficient for your purposes.

Let me hear back from you.

Your assistance is very much appreciated.

Hope this finds YOU doing well.

JC
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:39 am ]
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Yup, can do -- dashing out the door, watch for a PM or post here later this evening.
Author:  JCAllison [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:12 am ]
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Yup, can do -- dashing out the door, watch for a PM or post here later this evening.
Hey Mr. SSD,
Am looking forward to hearing from you about the NEW Holley 1920 Carburetor for Lorrie Van Haul. Am at kind of an standstill till that gets done.

Hope you are well.

JC
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:46 am ]
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Got in later than expected last night. Carb reply is on my list for today.
Author:  JCAllison [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:57 am ]
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Got in later than expected last night.
Hey Slant Six Dan,
I used to stay out late! :) I'm a little too old for that anymore.
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Carb reply is on my list for today.
GREAT!

I sent you an E-Mail at the E-Mail Address that you gave in your first response to which to send JPS, because I couldn't log in to the Slant Six Forum, after correcting my NEW E-Mail Address.

BUT, have just received a message that my account had been reactivated, so am back on board.

You can disregard the E-Mail sent to your gmail.com Address.

Anyway, am awaiting your "Carb reply" with abated breath.

Thanks for the response.

Hope you are well.

JC
Author:  Guido [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:36 pm ]
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Oh great. I just reset you password.

Check you email.

Guido
Author:  JCAllison [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:04 pm ]
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Oh great. I just reset you password.
Hey Mr. G,
I used the one you gave me, and then tried to change it, but it wouldn't accept the one you gave me to let me reset it. So I used the one that I already had, and it let me in.

Everything is fine.
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Check your email. Guido
I did. Got your E-Mail. Let's leave well enough alone now! :)

Anyway, thanks for the attention to this matter.

BTW, where do I find an E-Mail Address for your Administrator. I was to told to send a Private Message to the Administrator if I couldn't log in. The problem with that is that if you're not logged in, you can't send a PM! Can you say: "Catch 22"?

Hope you are well.

JC
Author:  ceej [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:15 pm ]
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If you have problems, there is a thread Chuck started in "How to use this message board."

http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4351


It shows how to log in as userhelp to get a password reset. Include all information including your username and new email if applicable.

CJ
Author:  JCAllison [ Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:44 am ]
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If you have problems, there is a thread Chuck started in "How to use this message board."

http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4351
Hey Ceej,
I found that, and tried it, but wasn't successful.

But, "All's well that ends well." (Shakespeare). Everything returned to normal somehow.

Thought that an update on the "Great Lorrie Van Haul Carburetor Replacement Caper " would be in order.

SlantSixDan has not only recommended, but has also, for a nominal fee, supplied a Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor for Lorrie.

It was shipped last Saturday, and is scheduled to be HERE next Monday.

Am awaiting its arrival with abated breath.

Till then, nothing much else is getting done due to inclement weather.

Will keep you all updated on progress when and if it happens.

JC
Author:  JCAllison [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:42 am ]
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Hey All, and especially SlantSixDan,
Saturday Afternoon Update:

Am happy to report that Lorrie Van Haul's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine is once again alive and well!

Went out on Saturday, April 7, 2012 at 12:30 p.m., gave Lorrie's NEW Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor a shot of Quick Start Starting Fluid, and she fired right up.

But she wouldn't idle.

Screwed the Idle Adjustment Screw all the way in, and she just barely idles.

The Carburetor needs some amount of adjusting. AND it may be that the Choke Idle Screw and Spring and the Idle Adjustment Screw and Spring are in the wrong Threaded Holes, although they are in the Threaded Holes that they were in when the Carburetor arrived.

The Choke Idle Screw is somewhat longer than the Idle Screw as it has a 1/8" "nose" on it, and if it were over in the the Idle Adjustment Screw's Threaded Hole, it would be able to move the Throttle Linkage far enough open to where it would idle better.

Also, the Needle Valve Screw plays a part in this too.

It was adjusted to 1.5 turns from being closed, and the Engine started and ran at that setting.

After getting the Engine to just barely idle, the Needle Valve Screw was adjust out to 2 turns, and that helped a little. Then it was adjusted out to 2.5 turns and it started getting worse, so now it is at about 2.25 turns.

Have the instructions on how to adjust everything. Am going to review them again, and am going to hook up the Tachometer as the instructions say for what RPM one is looking.

But in order to do that, will have to let Lorrie cool off a bit.

There is a bit of an exhaust leak coming from the Exhaust Manifold between Cylinders Number 3 and 4, but that Nut can be tightened and it will probably go away.

But Lorrie starts right up, the Radiator doesn't leak, the Choke works fine, she runs at about 165 degrees, and puts up 57 lbs of Oil Pressure, the Alternator is charging at 30 Amps, and she sounds good. Revs up quickly, doesn't hesitate or bobble.

Think she is going to be just fine.

As soon as she cools off, am going to swap the Adjustment Screws, and see if THAT will get her to idle better.

As soon as the idle is properly adjusted, it will be on to checking out the Transmission.

Will keep you all abreast of any breaking news when it happens.

So now, it's onward through the fog.

Hope you all are well.

JC
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:59 am ]
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Sounds like you're just a few idle speed and mixture adjustments away from being in good shape.
See photos here for reference on the idle screw placement. It sounds as if the screws on your carb are in their correct locations (and in looking at the photos I took of it for you, I still think they're in the right places. Possible wrong curb (slow) idle screw installed at factory? You may need to hit a hardware store and pick up a slightly longer screw with the correct thread, then cut it to length so it's just longer enough to give you the needed idle adjustment without being so long that the tension spring can't work.
Author:  JCAllison [ Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:25 pm ]
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Sounds like you're just a few idle speed and mixture adjustments away from being in good shape.
Hey Daniel,
Live and learn. The two Idle Adjustment Screws are different sizes and thus CAN'T go into the wrong Threaded Holes!
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See photos here for reference on the idle screw placement.
They are in the right places.
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t sounds as if the screws on your carb are in their correct locations (and in looking at the photos I took of it for you, I still think they're in the right places.
YOU are correct.
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Possible wrong curb (slow) idle screw installed at factory?
After finding out the Screws were different sizes, they were re-installed, and the Curb Idle Screw was screwed all the way in to where the Spring was coil locked. That gave Lorrie an idle speed of about 460 RPM. She will run at that speed, but she's not happy doing it. At that speed, she is STILL putting up 53 lbs of Oil Pressure, and charging at about 20 amps.
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you may need to hit a hardware store and pick up a slightly longer screw with the correct thread, then cut it to length so it's just longer enough to give you the needed idle adjustment without being so long that the tension spring can't work.
Was hoping that THAT would be a copacetic solution. Had thought of that, but didn't know if it would be alright.

Also, while Lorrie was idling at about 460 RPM, the Idle Mixture Screw was screwed in and out and had absolutely no effect on the speed of the idle, or the sound of the Engine.

On to the Transmission:

Lorrie's Rear Axle is on Jack Stands.

When the Transmission was ready to be checked out, the Dip Stick showed absolutely no sign of ATF, although the Engine had been run a while.

Specs say that it takes 16 pints. Put in 10, and started Lorrie up. Put her in Reverse, then into Neutral and then to Drive, then back into Neutral and checked the Dipstick. Dan, the ATF is about an inch above the Full Level Mark. Is Lorrie in any danger?

Have just gotten back from putting her into Drive. She went through Low Gear,,and shifted to Second Gear when the Speedometer said 30 MPH.

Didn't give her enough gas to go into Third Gear.

Also had her run for about two minutes in Reverse.

Everything seems alright with the Transmission.

There are no leaks under her.

There is a problem with the Shifter though. It will go into Park, Reverse, Neutral and Drive, but not into Second or First. It is probably the Flexible Cable in the Sheath needing lubrication. Will have to find out how to remove and fix that.

The same thing happened to Ms. American's Overdrive Lock Out Cable. Took it out, lubricated it, and now it works just fine.

But Lorrie starts right up. Just a touch of the Start Switch, and fairly leaps to life! She is such a big, gentle old thing. :) She sounds happy to be alive again.

Anyway, thanks for the Response. Watch this thread. Will be posting stuff (questions, situations, and etc.) as necessary.

Take care.

JC
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