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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:34 pm 
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This is in my wife's 70 valiant.

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(I assume it is not original as it has an electric choke and choke modulator hacked into the harness at the alternator)

I thought I was going to be able to use one of the pile of tstats I got on closeout from rockauto.

I noticed recently that is attached by 2-bolts (v.s. 1 like my van's.)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:02 pm 
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That's a '73 manifold. Choke thermostat compatibility is '73-up. Any '73 or newer choke thermostat (1bbl or 2bbl) will fit directly on this manifold. The only original choke thermostats that will work with this manifold and a '73 or earlier 1bbl carburetor are the '73 choke thermostats.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:14 pm 
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Thanks.

Well I think the carb is newer than '73 (it has a purge canister hookup).

Since the choke works, I'll leave it alone until I pull the manifold for rust removal/paint/good gaskets.

I was going to change it when I rebuilt the carb (for no reason other than it is rusty)

Hopefully one of the t'stats I have will fit it (looks like the real difference is that the hole on the pocket closer to the carb is threaded on the Valiant, and not on the van. I don't see that affecting fitment.)

On another note, the throttle shaft on the aft end is wet and smells like gasoline.

I don't know if I should get it re-bushed, or start looking for a different core.


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Well I think the carb is newer than '73 (it has a purge canister hookup).
First year for that was '73.
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Hopefully one of the t'stats I have will fit it (looks like the real difference is that the hole on the pocket closer to the carb is threaded on the Valiant, and not on the van. I don't see that affecting fitment.)
Carb-side hole threaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by two bolts. Carb-side hole unthreaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by one bolt and one hook.
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On another note, the throttle shaft on the aft end is wet and smells like gasoline.
Carb's past due for throttle shaft rebushing or replacement. Pretty sure I have at least one new or as-new carburetor with appropriate hookups for a '70.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:44 am 
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First year for that was '73.
Right, which is why I think it is newer than 73. The only way that it isn't is if it happens to be specifically a 73, which the odds are against (unless the manifold and carb were pulled from the same donor for some reason, which tips the odds back in favor of it being a 73.)
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Carb-side hole threaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by two bolts. Carb-side hole unthreaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by one bolt and one hook.
Yes. It seems that a 2-bolt t'stat would require threading of the unthreaded hole on a 1 bolt manifold, but the 1-bolt t'stat would work on a 2-bolt manifold unmodified. (I found 'stock' t'stats on ebay for specifically 70, 71, 72 & 73 that were 1 bolt, 1 hook).
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Pretty sure I have at least one new or as-new carburetor with appropriate hookups for a '70.
I might be consider that option. Thanks.

I have to figure out how to address choke options, and if I should maybe get a different year manifold. That may steer the choice of carb year. (and if I want to retrofit a purge canister).


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The only way that it isn't is if it happens to be specifically a 73, which the odds are against (unless the manifold and carb were pulled from the same donor for some reason, which tips the odds back in favor of it being a 73.)
Is it a Holley 1920? If so, it's a '73 (first year for EGR and purge port, last year for 1920), which would go with that '73-only choke thermostat you're showing. So I'm putting my bet on the carb being a '73 1920.
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Yes. It seems that a 2-bolt t'stat would require threading of the unthreaded hole on a 1 bolt manifold, but the 1-bolt t'stat would work on a 2-bolt manifold unmodified.
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(I found 'stock' t'stats on ebay for specifically 70, 71, 72 & 73 that were 1 bolt, 1 hook).
Nope. Incorrectly identified or described. All pre-'74 choke thermostats are 2-bolt, and the '70-'72 items are the tall type with external adjustment locknut meant to sit atop the stamped sheetmetal cup that fits in the open-hole choke stove on the '70-'72 exhaust manifold.
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I have to figure out how to address choke options, and if I should maybe get a different year manifold.
...why would you need a different-year manifold? Choke options are easiest with this what you have; you can use a stock electric-assist or plain '73 choke thermostat with any pre-'74 1bbl carb, you can use a stock '74-up 1bbl choke thermostat with any '74-up 1bbl carb, you can use a stock '77-up 2bbl choke thermostat if you go Super Six, or you can use an appropriate Electric choke kit depending on your carburetor selection.
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(and if I want to retrofit a purge canister).
Not hard, see here and here, though if you do add a charcoal can that will constrain your carburetor options.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:13 am 
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...why would you need a different-year manifold?
I don't know. Being ignorant of the carb/choke/manifold interchangeability I didn't know if something else gave me more options.

Didn't know 73 was last year for 1920.

If I can successfully rebuild/rebush the 73 1920, and can make use of new chokes I already have (for next replacement, but also spares/future replacement), and the exhaust manifold is not cracked or anything, then I should be able to do the canister too.

I guess the whole intake/exhaust/carb/t'stat came from one donor.

I wonder what went wrong with the original (all of those parts are in way worse condition than the rest of the car, which has less 40k on it.)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:34 pm 
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My guess: Previous owner frustration with the '70 choke system. New gaskets are NLA for the choke cup, and it's almost impossible to seal them up without the correct gasket.

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Have you confirmed the year of the engine? It's not inconceivable that a previous owner killed the engine & had a complete-used '73 unit put in.

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