Slant Six Forum :: what year manifold is this?

Well I think the carb is newer than '73 (it has a purge canister hookup).

Hopefully one of the t'stats I have will fit it (looks like the real difference is that the hole on the pocket closer to the carb is threaded on the Valiant, and not on the van. I don't see that affecting fitment.)

On another note, the throttle shaft on the aft end is wet and smells like gasoline.

First year for that was '73.

Carb-side hole threaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by two bolts. Carb-side hole unthreaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by one bolt and one hook.

Pretty sure I have at least one new or as-new carburetor with appropriate hookups for a '70.

The only way that it isn't is if it happens to be specifically a 73, which the odds are against (unless the manifold and carb were pulled from the same donor for some reason, which tips the odds back in favor of it being a 73.)

Yes. It seems that a 2-bolt t'stat would require threading of the unthreaded hole on a 1 bolt manifold, but the 1-bolt t'stat would work on a 2-bolt manifold unmodified.

(I found 'stock' t'stats on ebay for specifically 70, 71, 72 & 73 that were 1 bolt, 1 hook).

I have to figure out how to address choke options, and if I should maybe get a different year manifold.

(and if I want to retrofit a purge canister).

...why would you need a different-year manifold?

Author:	Ed Mullen [ Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:34 pm ]
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This is in my wife's 70 valiant. (I assume it is not original as it has an electric choke and choke modulator hacked into the harness at the alternator) I thought I was going to be able to use one of the pile of tstats I got on closeout from rockauto. I noticed recently that is attached by 2-bolts (v.s. 1 like my van's.)

Author:	SlantSixDan [ Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:02 pm ]
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That's a '73 manifold. Choke thermostat compatibility is '73-up. Any '73 or newer choke thermostat (1bbl or 2bbl) will fit directly on this manifold. The only original choke thermostats that will work with this manifold and a '73 or earlier 1bbl carburetor are the '73 choke thermostats.

Author:	Ed Mullen [ Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:14 pm ]
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Thanks. Well I think the carb is newer than '73 (it has a purge canister hookup). Since the choke works, I'll leave it alone until I pull the manifold for rust removal/paint/good gaskets. I was going to change it when I rebuilt the carb (for no reason other than it is rusty) Hopefully one of the t'stats I have will fit it (looks like the real difference is that the hole on the pocket closer to the carb is threaded on the Valiant, and not on the van. I don't see that affecting fitment.) On another note, the throttle shaft on the aft end is wet and smells like gasoline. I don't know if I should get it re-bushed, or start looking for a different core.

Author:	SlantSixDan [ Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:11 pm ]
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Quote: Well I think the carb is newer than '73 (it has a purge canister hookup). First year for that was '73. Quote: Hopefully one of the t'stats I have will fit it (looks like the real difference is that the hole on the pocket closer to the carb is threaded on the Valiant, and not on the van. I don't see that affecting fitment.) Carb-side hole threaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by two bolts. Carb-side hole unthreaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by one bolt and one hook. Quote: On another note, the throttle shaft on the aft end is wet and smells like gasoline. Carb's past due for throttle shaft rebushing or replacement. Pretty sure I have at least one new or as-new carburetor with appropriate hookups for a '70.

Author:	Ed Mullen [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:44 am ]
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Quote: First year for that was '73. Right, which is why I think it is newer than 73. The only way that it isn't is if it happens to be specifically a 73, which the odds are against (unless the manifold and carb were pulled from the same donor for some reason, which tips the odds back in favor of it being a 73.) Quote: Carb-side hole threaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by two bolts. Carb-side hole unthreaded: Choke thermostat held to manifold by one bolt and one hook. Yes. It seems that a 2-bolt t'stat would require threading of the unthreaded hole on a 1 bolt manifold, but the 1-bolt t'stat would work on a 2-bolt manifold unmodified. (I found 'stock' t'stats on ebay for specifically 70, 71, 72 & 73 that were 1 bolt, 1 hook). Quote: Pretty sure I have at least one new or as-new carburetor with appropriate hookups for a '70. I might be consider that option. Thanks. I have to figure out how to address choke options, and if I should maybe get a different year manifold. That may steer the choice of carb year. (and if I want to retrofit a purge canister).

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Author:	SlantSixDan [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:04 am ]
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Quote: The only way that it isn't is if it happens to be specifically a 73, which the odds are against (unless the manifold and carb were pulled from the same donor for some reason, which tips the odds back in favor of it being a 73.) Is it a Holley 1920? If so, it's a '73 (first year for EGR and purge port, last year for 1920), which would go with that '73-only choke thermostat you're showing. So I'm putting my bet on the carb being a '73 1920. Quote: Yes. It seems that a 2-bolt t'stat would require threading of the unthreaded hole on a 1 bolt manifold, but the 1-bolt t'stat would work on a 2-bolt manifold unmodified. Correct. Quote: (I found 'stock' t'stats on ebay for specifically 70, 71, 72 & 73 that were 1 bolt, 1 hook). Nope. Incorrectly identified or described. All pre-'74 choke thermostats are 2-bolt, and the '70-'72 items are the tall type with external adjustment locknut meant to sit atop the stamped sheetmetal cup that fits in the open-hole choke stove on the '70-'72 exhaust manifold. Quote: I have to figure out how to address choke options, and if I should maybe get a different year manifold. ...why would you need a different-year manifold? Choke options are easiest with this what you have; you can use a stock electric-assist or plain '73 choke thermostat with any pre-'74 1bbl carb, you can use a stock '74-up 1bbl choke thermostat with any '74-up 1bbl carb, you can use a stock '77-up 2bbl choke thermostat if you go Super Six, or you can use an appropriate Electric choke kit depending on your carburetor selection. Quote: (and if I want to retrofit a purge canister). Not hard, see here and here, though if you do add a charcoal can that will constrain your carburetor options.

Author:	Ed Mullen [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:13 am ]
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Quote: ...why would you need a different-year manifold? I don't know. Being ignorant of the carb/choke/manifold interchangeability I didn't know if something else gave me more options. Didn't know 73 was last year for 1920. If I can successfully rebuild/rebush the 73 1920, and can make use of new chokes I already have (for next replacement, but also spares/future replacement), and the exhaust manifold is not cracked or anything, then I should be able to do the canister too. I guess the whole intake/exhaust/carb/t'stat came from one donor. I wonder what went wrong with the original (all of those parts are in way worse condition than the rest of the car, which has less 40k on it.)

Author:	SlantSixDan [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:34 pm ]
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My guess: Previous owner frustration with the '70 choke system. New gaskets are NLA for the choke cup, and it's almost impossible to seal them up without the correct gasket.

Author:	WagonsRcool [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:40 pm ]
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Have you confirmed the year of the engine? It's not inconceivable that a previous owner killed the engine & had a complete-used '73 unit put in.

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