From the racing rules:


-If a race is postponed and rescheduled for the next day or another weekend, points will still be awarded but only to those racers that actually line up for the first round of the rescheduled race. In these cases a new first round ladder including only the participants present will be drawn up. One additional point will be awarded to anyone who was present before the postponement.


Just keep that in mind when you get to Samoa..


Richard

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So any racer that was at Redding that will be racing at Samoa, will get an extra point? I like that!

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What it says is; you can be on the ladder only if you were at the rain out race. Points for attendance are only awarded at the rain out if the cars actually line up in the staging lanes. Double points are awarded in this case for attendance when the racer is at the make up race.

Lou, please get us the new rules, because what we have now is poorly written. Lots of ambiguity.
What we have posted as official only awards 1 point per for attendance. I don't know if the wording has been changed to avoid awarding as many points as a round win for showing up. Apparently that was the intent.

CJ

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We need an explaination of "the intent" of this rule. It can be interpreted in more than one way.

Perhaps Seymour can give us some clarity.

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The above is from the new rules at this years banquet. I take it that if we allow open re-scheduling of a race that anyone and everyone can participate in it. Not just those who were at the rained out event.

We probably need some clarification on the points that are awarded for the rained out event. I would guess they get the 5 points, if they were at the track. But do they get 5 more if it is re-scheduled?

Rick

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I will try to interpret this rule the best I can. It was developed when the Saturday race at Wilkesboro one year got rained out and was run on Sunday. Back then the custom was to put everybody on the ladder that was in the pits even if they couldn't make the first round, that generated more bye runs and points but the track personnel didn't like it. Several of the cars that were there Saturday didn't return so there would have been an unacceptably large number of bye runs on Sunday. Therefore it was decided that only the cars that returned on Sunday plus any new entrants would be put on the ladder. So you wouldn't have had to be there on Saturday to race for points on Sunday. A single attendance point would be awarded to those in the pits on Saturday but not returning on Sunday. Nobody would get double attendance points. Does that help any? I recent years we have only been putting cars actually lining up for the first round of a race on the ladder, that may eliminate the need for this rule all together.

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Did you mean that only cars making a time run get added to the ladder? Because that is how we have been doing it. For instance, Will broke in the 2nd time run at Mason Dixon last month, but he did go into the ladder because he had made an official Slant 6 time run.

Rick

From the rules

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The clarified rescheduled rain date allows unlimited participants.

How do we handle the five (5) racers points who were at Redding and got rained out?

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Seems fairly simple ,if a redding rain out entry can not make Samoa they keep the redding entry points. iF they show at Samoa they will earn entry points at the make up race ,therefore giving up the Redding points. In other words ,no double entry points.

Seymour, That does help some, but we need more discussion on some of the rules we are talking about here. Can a Moderator start a new thread with the rules part of this thread so we don't hog up this Samoa thread too bad? If not I will post my questions here.

Rick

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I am waiting for a PM from Seymour and then will respond to the post.

Thanks Ceej for moving it.

Rick

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The above was a PM to me from Seymour about the rule I mentioned above. I have several observations that I would like to make. The rules were mostly set when I began to coordinate the races at Mason-Dixon, so I just used them as they written. Here are my thoughts.

1) We should all be using the same rules, and whatever interpretations we have of them needs to be ironed out and settled ASAP. All the race coordinators should be doing the same thing. We have more races this weekend and we need to know what we are doing.

2) If what Seymour says is actually happening (people who have run a time run, are not being added to the ladder even if they break) then that needs to be changed so that we are all doing it the same. One way or the other. We should either follow the rules as written or change the rules after the season.

3) As far as being too many single runs. We have had a couple races where we had 2 in the first round, but not that many. All I did was communicate to the track and ask them how they wanted the bye & single runs to line up. They wanted them at the end of the class, so that is what we do, and it has never been a problem. I personally bend over backwards trying to make things run smooth with the track owner & track officials & our racers. I want everyone's experience at our races to be a good one.

4) I personally like the rule as written for one other reason. I need a little time to draw the random ladder. With the rule as it stands, I wait until after the first round of time runs and then I can draw the ladder. If I wait until after the second round of time runs and then go check to make sure everyone is still not broken and then draw the ladder, time becomes short. At Mason Dixon for some of our races we no sooner get back to the pits after our time runs, that they call us up for round one of eliminations. Now I need to draw the ladder, make 2 copies, take one to the tower, tell everyone who is racing, who they are racing, and get my own car to the line all in a matter of 10 minutes or so. It gets really busy and hectic fast.

5) If we use the rules as written then the person who lines up against someone who is broken, essentially gets a bye run and 10 points for the round win. If not he goes up against another racer and could lose those 10 points. Not saying that one is right and one is wrong. Just that under the current rule that person is guaranteed 10 points. 10 points could make a change in the National championship.

6) If we have more instances of this , we need to know what they are and try to correct them. If we don't try and follow the rules, then they will become more and more meaningless.

Rick

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I sent Lou an email. Christine tells me he's traveling and doesn't have access to all aspects of the Internet. If he has the compiled rules, we'll get them posted here.
If you have a copy of the rules that were decided on Rick, can you shoot them to me via email, or in a PM?

Until they are posted, I agree with Rick, we should comply with the existing rules.

Hopefully we'll get the new approved rules posted up soon. From what we have now, there are grey areas. We can't have that. Rules need to be cut and dried, with no ambiguity as to intent.

I've done a lot of proof reading in my time, so would be happy to help.

CJ

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During the last two (2) years of races in the West, the racers names have been drawn from a hat to form the ladder after completing the first round of trial runs. I agree with Rick in that this does allow suficient time to copy ladders and notify all parties involved and prep/race your own car.

We never had a negative comment from any of the tracks about no-show broke cars and bye runs.

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Sure, and I think it should be written that way to keep things from getting too difficult for the track or race coordinator to deal with.

1. The race coordinator needs to have time to take care of his/her obligation to the event.
2. The track is more likely to be happy with us when we don't change things up, and they have our information earlier for planning purposes.
3. The race coordinator needs time to get his/her car to the line!

We do need to fix this in the rules. That way there are no problems "after the fact" should there be a concern about how something is run.

We also need the rainout rules in concrete. If anybody can run a makeup race and earn points, it needs to say that the makeup event is open to all slant six racers, regardless of whether they were at the rained out event or not. If points can only be earned by those that were present at the rained out event, but the car count can be bolstered by racers that were not present, it needs to be clearly spelled out. If the only racers that can compete in the make up event are those that were present at the original cancelled race, it needs to clearly state that too.

2¢

CJ

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