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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:51 pm 
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When I cold start the car, the charging system won't begin to operate until the engine has run for about five minutes. When warm starting, it charges immediately. It's not the ammeter, as the engine speed changes when the needle shows a charge.

The alternator is a stock NOS, about two years old, with perhaps a 1,000 miles since it was installed. The regulator is a bit older...maybe four years with 2,000 miles...and is electronic with connections that match the original point style regulator. The part number, country of origin, and mfg markings aren't readable. I believe it was a Wells, but my memory sucks.

All connections are clean and tight, and the wiring is in good shape.

The car is a '64 Valiant, 225 converted to Mopar electronic ignition many years ago.

I have a new US made VR125 sitting on the shelf, but would need to replace the OEM wiring with a later model connector.

So far the problem is only a nuisance, but I'd like to get it fixed before winter. Ideas?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:48 pm 
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Can you take the cover off the regulator?

If you can, I'd look for bad solder connections on the circuit board.
(I'm thinking there's a broken solder connection that finally makes contact when it gets warm enough)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:43 pm 
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I would pull the cover off (assuming this is the older relay type regulator) and get a contact burnishing tool or some fine crocus cloth and clean the relay contacts. Some have upper and lower contacts. See if that helps.

Also, do you have a voltmeter or 12V test light?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:22 pm 
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I would pull the cover off (assuming this is the older relay type regulator) and get a contact burnishing tool or some fine crocus cloth and clean the relay contacts. Some have upper and lower contacts. See if that helps.

Also, do you have a voltmeter or 12V test light?
There is no cover, and the electronics are encapsulated.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:01 am 
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First thing I would do is, verify the problem is the regulator. Before starting he engine cold, put a jumper wire between the two wires on the regulator. Then start the engine, and see if it charges right away. If it does, just replace the regulator. Wells number VR706. If not check wiring for bad connections, and ground at the alternator. It could also be a internal problem with the alternator. The easiest way to check that would be to try a different alternator, and see if the symptons change.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:43 am 
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Finally had a little time and found the problem. The flat blade terminal that the field wire connector slips over was not making good contact with the alternator. Now clean and tight, and it charges immediately.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:30 am 
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Nice when it is that easy!


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