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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:29 pm 
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Charles Brooks Jr (bigslantsixfan) came down today and helped with the first step in getting the GV OD installed. AFter measuring the drive shaft angles and finding them to be 1 degree in front and 1.5 in the rear we did the following:
1. Blocking up the trans with a jack and block of wood.
2. Removing the drive shaft.
3 Removing the cross member and lowering the trans with the jack to access the bolts on the tail shaft extension.
4. Taking out the speedo drive.
5. Taking the lower inspection plate off of the tail shaft.
6 . Releasing the inner snap ring for the rear bearing from below.
7. Removing the tail shaft housing bolts and removing housing.
8. Swapping parking pawl parts into GV tail shaft.
9. Putting bearing retainer snap ring from old housing into new.
10. Working tail GV tail shaft housing onto trans being careful to get parking pawl engagement shaft into proper alignment, and tightening bolts to spec.
11. Reseat rear bearing retainer snap ring.
11. Installing proper shims needed to properly set couplingr that goes between trans output shaft and OD unit input shaft in correct spot towards the rear.

Thus far it took about 5 hours, with a fair amount of gabbing going on.

When it came time to raise trans back into position it became clear this is NOT going to go up into the tunnel. So work came to a halt. Sometime in the next month I will remove the seats, slit the tunnel, spread it up ward and cap it off with sheet metal needed to fill the gap. This is not a big job, but I will have to remove seats. For now car is officially off the road.

Charles was a huge help here. I would have been stuck multiple times without his experienced hand and eye present. Many thanks to Charles. Charles stated over and over again how much respect he had for the engineering of the kit. NO details were overlooked, and all fit like a glove.

I will post photos we took along the way sometime soon. I will also take photos of the mods made to the tunnel. I have cut this car up so many times already I have no qualms about this, but I think I would not advise installing this unit in a typical A body if you did not wish to cut the floor.

Sam

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:48 am 
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Very exciting, Sam. Thanks for the rundown. I look forward to a ride in the OD'ed beast next spring.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:59 pm 
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Thanks Lou. Me too. here are photos of the process:
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Jack supporting 904

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Cross member removed

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Trying to pull old shaft housing. OOPS. Forgot to remove speedo drive first.

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Finally got the shaft housing off after pulling speedo drive out.

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Park pawl installed

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Installing new tail shaft housing.

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New tail shaft housing showing flange for OD.

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Reinstalling inspection plate over bearing retainer snap ring.

Enjoy.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:00 pm 
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Looks Like You have Big Charles doing the Heavy Lifting.

He Knows his transmissions.. Like you Know Toning and Regulating.


Thanks for the documentation.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:57 am 
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You are welcome. More photos to follow. Yes, Charles did the heavy lifting. He is quite a bit stronger than I am for sure, and knows what he is doing. I started cutting the floor up yesterday and will post photos of that soon. There is absolutely no way this would have gone in there without making a new hump over the OD unit, or lowering the entire thing more than I think would be healthy. I will post photos of the fabrication process for the new hump. The saws-all was busy yesterday.

I got stopped when the speedo drive would not slide into the tail shaft, even though the housing for the drive measures 1.932" and the bore for it measures 1.936. It should fit but seems to bind and get stuck before the O ring even comes close to the tail shaft housing. There are no burrs on either. I wondered if there is some trick to getting the gears to engage, but they do not mention anything in the instruction booklet. Of course it will be Monday at the earliest before I can call them, and they may be closed the entire week.

I loosened the big motor mount bolts from below to allow for a little wiggle room with the alignment, and discovered there is quite a bit, which raised the question: How do you know what is " straight" in this regard? It seems the engine and trans should be at a perfect 90 degrees to the rear axle, which is also fairly iffy in its alignment with considerable wiggle room there as well.

I think I am going to post this is a seperate question in another thread.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:15 pm 
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There is a reason for that long tube running from the end of the transmission to the rear axle. Especially with the flexiable ends. You just may have figured out one of them...


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:34 am 
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True enough: But if the angles at each end are not the same vibration will ensue. Lateral angles and vertical ones are both important.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:33 am 
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I finished the install of all hardware, including the speedo sending unit, which I had to sand down to fit. I think the leading edge was just a bit too sharp and was hanging up on the case if the angle was not perfect, so broke the edge of that a bit. When I jacked everything into place, the speedo sender almost touched the tunnel. Well, it was closer than I would have liked,but is OK I suppose. If doing this again I would put the speedo unit in before the final tunnel configuration as settled on.

The console and ebrake handle are done. Speedo extension shaft and its sender unit for the controller are in place. All wiring is finished except for one wire I have not been able to identify. It comes off the manual shift knob switch for manual shifting of the OD. The manual has not been changed since they redesigned the controls, and they simply have stuck an extra page in the book, which is far from adequate in my opinion. The instructions leave much to be desired, which is typical of things produced by mostly technical people. Technical skill seldom translates into good writing.

I have to get a new drive shaft made which I will do next week. AFter the shaft is in place I can fill it with fluid. They specify Dexron II, and it only takes a quart of this. The filler is high up on the back side, and will require a hand pump of some kind to fill. Does anyone know of a source for such a thing? I have seen one in use on Youtube videos, but so far have been unable to find one to purchase.

Once filled with fluid, will await a good weather day and try it out.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:19 am 
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The filler is high up on the back side, and will require a hand pump of some kind to fill. Does anyone know of a source for such a thing?
A large shampoo bottle, if it will fit. Stick the nozzle into the fill hole and keep it stationary while you pump the body up and down. Or you can get fluid transfer pumps at most parts stores.

Keep posting. I'm following this thread with interest. This is good stuff.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:59 am 
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Thanks Reed. Last night I went to shorten one of their wire harnesses and discovered after I cut it that they use 6 connector computer wire similar to phone lines but with 6 but ganged into two connectors. . So I had to gang up the red,black, and white wires into one and blue, green and yellow into another and solder it all with new spade connectors. They supplied enough wire to go forward through the firewall and back to the mounting point for their controller. I simply went up through a grommet in the console and there was much too much wire. I think I will check with an OHM meter to see if I got something crosses somehow. That assumes the array at the plug end is set up linearly.

And of course, being a professional paranoid I worry that I got this wrong and will blow out some circuit in the control box. I checked and rechecked and am certain I wired it correctly, but still am a pro at paranoia. I started reading the trouble shooting matrix, and basically started suffering from interns disease.

I will take a photo from below of the current setup.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:17 am 
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Thanks Reed. Last night I went to shorten one of their wire harnesses and discovered after I cut it that they use 6 connector computer wire similar to phone lines but with 6 but ganged into two connectors. . So I had to gang up the red,black, and white wires into one and blue, green and yellow into another and solder it all with new spade connectors. They supplied enough wire to go forward through the firewall and back to the mounting point for their controller. I simply went up through a grommet in the console and there was much too much wire. I think I will check with an OHM meter to see if I got something crosses somehow. That assumes the array at the plug end is set up linearly.

And of course, being a professional paranoid I worry that I got this wrong and will blow out some circuit in the control box. I checked and rechecked and am certain I wired it correctly, but still am a pro at paranoia. I started reading the trouble shooting matrix, and basically started suffering from interns disease.

I will take a photo from below of the current setup.

Sam
Sounds like they used "ethernet' (old name) or "Cat 5" cable. You can buy new wire, crimpers, crimping tools, terminal ends, etc... at your local big box hardware store. About 13 years ago I wired my house with this stuff when I got a cable modem. It is pretty easy to work with. You should have no problem making up anew cable if you want to.

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Hey Sam, happy new year, and put your camera on top of your toolbox! It's winter here, we NEED some pics! :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:35 pm 
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OK. It has been so damn cold here I have been avoiding the garage. Even with the heat on it has only gotten into the 50's inside. My feet get pretty cold when standing on the concrete floor for awhile. The job is done except for adding fluid and taking it for a test drive. There is trim detail to do, and I need to reposition the fast idle button, but once fluid is added, I can test i t.

They call for Dexron II, which I am told is no longer available and replaced by Dexron III. Is there confirmation on this? They specifically say DO NOT put synthetic or friction modifiers in it.

It is supposed to be a "nice" week end. On Sunday I will add fluid and take a few photos.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:54 am 
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I have not driven the car yet, so don't even know if or how it works. But electronics seem toi make the lights function correctly. I say "seem" because the switch included in the kit is different from the one in the instructions. So far my only complaint is that they have not published updated instructions for what is a pretty pricey piece. Here are photos from the lower side. Most of the work lately has been from above trying to get all the wire neat, safe, and serviceable. I decided to put the control box in the console which sits right over top of the OD unit itself. This meant cutting and splicing some cables, which bothered me a bit since they are LAN computer cables with wires tripled up inside. I hope I did it right.

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Speedo cable drive and cables for speed sensor and solenoid going up through floor.

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Complete install from rear, below. I had to lie on the floor for this photo.

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From directly below.

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Ford 8" rear.

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What you can see from the side looking under the car.

I hope to take it for a test drive soon. It rained all day yesterday. I have a bit more interior trim work to do and then put the pass seat back in.

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Sam, nice pics! That car is so clean! It looks like it has been stored carefully wrapped in a dry place since it was new.

You're not kidding us by having a duplicate for driving in addition to the one in storage, do you? :lol: :lol:

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