easy for YOU to say....
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| Author: | burgmopar [ Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | WIW - Rebuilt Slant 6 |
What's it worth? I'm looking to purchase a 1963 Slant 6 Engine... I've been told it was rebuilt by Jasper Engines. Engine appears to have been rebuilt from the outside... No receipts for the rebuild! No idea of how long ago motor was rebuilt. Engine does turn over. I did not do a compression check. Thoughts on how much this engine is worth??? Thanks! burg |
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:58 pm ] |
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No more proof of a rebuild than what you have, $50. |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:03 am ] |
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I agree, not much to go on. If you think you can trust the person, then maybe $200. hard to say w/o looking at it. Make sure it will fit what trans situation you have (small hub crank, most likely, so early torque converter snout). Lou |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:38 am ] |
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I gave $200 for a Jasper rebuilt engine from a known trusted source. It was less than 1 year old with just a few miles on it. You could pull the valve cover and see if everything is clean. (No sludge build up...etc) I think the truth is unless you have more info or know the person it isn't worth a whole lot. People are still giving Slant 6's away. Rick |
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| Author: | neilskiw [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rebuilt When? |
What year was it alleged to have been rebuilt? If it was 10 years ago, it could easily have 100,000 miles on it. What color did it get painted? Sad, but lost receipts should be his loss. Not (potentially) yours. |
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| Author: | '67 Dart 270 [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | agree |
I would be circumspect about "lost receipts." That is a common ploy, though unfortunately a common occurrence as well (I've lost plenty of receipts) - that's why so many unscrupulous sellers use it - most all scams are based in some common thread we experience. OK, as you might suspect from my use of the word "circumspect" I'm a lawyer. Though most purchases are emotionally driven, for any business transaction you should go with the facts. If the seller can't produce any receipts, then you can't base the price on unknowns. Yes, maybe you can pull the valve tin, check for sludge, that's a good one. A freshly rebuilt engine shouldn't have any if it were fairly recent. But, without more to go on, you're justified in telling the seller that people are still giving away slant's and since there's no proof of recent work, it's just like any other slant, a 400 pound chunk of metal worth maybe $200. brian |
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| Author: | '67 Dart 270 [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | lawyers... |
...tend to be long-winded. That last reply was my way of saying, listen to Rick, he has a lot of slant experience. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: lawyers... |
Quote: ...tend to be long-winded.
That's as may or may not be, contingent upon the prevailing exigencies and apposite evidentiary support.
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| Author: | Louise76 [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:22 am ] |
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easy for YOU to say....
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| Author: | Reed [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:32 am ] |
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I learned before law school, and my experience as a lawyer has proven it true, that brevity is the soul of wit and most courts would rather have a clear and concise argument than a rambling pointless one. My record for the shortest successful brief I have filed in the Court of Appeals is seven pages, including tables and a summary of facts. I won on that one without even having oral argument. Documentation is the soul of value, so I agree that a claimed-to-be-rebuilt motor lacking documentation is worth no more than a normal motor, unless there are clear indicators that the motor is rebuilt, i.e. cross-hatching visible in the cylinder bores, clean freshly painted block, no leaks, tight timing chain, etc... |
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| Author: | 67Charger [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:18 am ] |
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Most rebuilders have a logo'd "coin" epoxied to the head or block somewhere, usually held on with a temperature sensitive cement that melts of the engine passes a certain temperature, indicative of an overheat. At minimujm, rebuilders use letter punches or the like for warranty verification. |
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| Author: | '67 Dart 270 [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | brevity |
You're right Reed, coming from science (talk about verbose and flowery overkill in those papers), the most important skill I learned in law school was how to write in clear succinct sentences. I'm not a litigator, but have experience in that area. Judges like short sentences in plain English...can you blame them with all the crap they have to listen to everyday? I therefore heretowith and without reservation state, proffer and proclaim that I may have inadvertently, unduly and unfairly, without malice aforethought, blamed my long-windedness on the honorable and meritorious profession of legal practice. I'm sure you've heard the joke, "98% of all lawyers give the other 2% a bad name" brian |
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| Author: | burgmopar [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:09 pm ] |
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Thanks to everyone for their input. Unfortunately, the previous owner passed away recently, so most of the details about this engine are unknown. He was working on restoring a 63 Valiant Convertible with what appears to be a failed attempt at swapping in a 3.9L V6 from a dakota. I believe at that time the slant 6 was sent out for rebuild. It has never been started. Unfortunately, the car is completely disassembled and missing many parts, but I am finalizing details to be the next owner. I'd like to put the slant 6 back in if I can... Question: Is the VIN stamped on the block to determine if it is the original engine? Thanks! burg |
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| Author: | Reed [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:14 pm ] |
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If it is stamped on the engine, it would b on a flat machined pad on the rear top corner of the passenger side of the block, directly below the head. Find the #6 spark plug and look down. This number is often hard to read, especially if the engine is installed in a vehicle. |
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| Author: | 65 dartman [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:17 pm ] |
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A VIN stamped on the block will certainly NOT be the original engine. That didn't start until sometime in 68 model year. 63 block will have 3 freeze plugs FWIW. |
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