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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windshield / Rubber |
Does anyone know for sure if the new windshield replacement glass is thinner than the original glass for my 85 truck? I plan to replace the windshield in my "race" truck when I get it painted in a month or so. Robby (paint Guy) told me that he thought that all replacement glass had changed to a thinner glass some years back and that I may need to get a new windshield rubber also. If the glass did change thickness then I will have to replace the rubber. If it did not I would prefer to use the factory rubber because it is still soft and it fits the truck well. Some of the aftermarket windshield rubbers I have seen do not have the greatest fit to the frame. Thanks for any insights Rick |
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| Author: | Ron Hamby [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:29 pm ] |
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I don't know about the truck but I know a couple of people that bought new windshields for toads and they were thinner than the original. INMO it should still work ok if you use a liberal amount of windshield sealant. Ron |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windshield / Rubber |
Quote: Does anyone know for sure if the new windshield replacement glass is thinner than the original glass for my 85 truck?
Almost certainly yes, because virtually all windshields now come from China. Quality is as sloppy as they can get away with, and fit is almost-kinda-sorta.
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| Author: | '67 Dart 270 [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | AMD as well? |
I was wondering, Dan or anyone, if AMD's replacement glass is also from China and thinner, see: http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-67-7 ... p-746.html They say "correct thickness" I'm just wondering if anyone has tried their products or has knowledge of their claims. Brian |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMD as well? |
Quote: I was wondering, Dan or anyone, if AMD's replacement glass is also from China
I'm pretty sure AMD's everything is also from China. If you're looking for new reproduction body parts not from China, you'll be looking for a very……very… …very… …long time. |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:45 pm ] |
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I am guessing that if they say correct thickness, they mean the older glass thickness. I spoke to the glass shop here and he said for sure that all the new glass for my truck is thinner. He also hesitated when I asked if I could use my old windshield rubber, and then said, I would recommend the new rubber, even though they do not fit as nice in the frame as the original. Rick |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:17 pm ] |
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Quote: I am guessing that if they say correct thickness, they mean the older glass thickness.
Probably. Now: Are they telling the truth? I don't know for sure, but I do know for sure that every last vendor of aftermarket parts from China and other dubious origins claims "exact OE specs" and "OEM quality". It's virtually never true, whether we're talking about headlamps or fenders or windshields -- even high-volume windshields for much newer models than old A-bodies. Quote: He also hesitated when I asked if I could use my old windshield rubber, and then said, I would recommend the new rubber, even though they do not fit as nice in the frame as the original
He's right on both counts.
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| Author: | '67 Dart 270 [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | ruler |
I suppose one could measure their old windshield and ask AMD folks how thick theirs is as a check... brian |
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| Author: | 70valiant [ Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:43 am ] |
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When I had the windshield replaced in my valiant the guy was happy to see I had a stock windshield I had pulled from a 74 dart I parted. He told me all the newer windshields are thinner and don't like to seal up nicely with our old rubber |
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| Author: | Sam Powell [ Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:28 am ] |
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When the OLD pro installed my windshield , he used plenty of sealant on both the body side and windsheild side. I have told myself if I ever restored another one of these cars (highly unlikely), I would weld in an extendion of the windsheild flange such that I could glue in the windshield, as modern cars are done. Then cut the gasket down the middle and glue both sides in place. According to this OLD pro, there was a mastic dam glued around the outer perimiter of the original gasket, which is no longer made. Purpose was to chanel water away from the seam. Seems you could duplicate this with butyl tape. This guy had been doing this since our cars were new. He told me then this was the last old car he was going to do. Sam |
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| Author: | '67 Dart 270 [ Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | interesting, Sam. |
I was thinking the same thing, i.e. building up that surface to simply glue down the windshield as in modern cars, but I hadn't thought as far as you did with cutting the gasket and gluing it down, but that makes perfect sense to maintain the original look. I have to think about this, my windscreen will need replacing, not just because it's leaking, but also because it is pitted pretty badly. I've had trouble finding anyone who'll replace it; I may have to do it myself. I found an old blurb from a factory manual showing the rear glass replacement and they did use butyl tape in the channel with the glass. Not sure about the mastic thingy you're talking about, can you describe it more? Thanks, Brian |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:36 pm ] |
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Quote: Then cut the gasket down the middle and glue both sides in place.
It doesn't sound like much fun glueing the inside half of that gasket in place and then hoping it stayed there long term.I think I will stick with the factory way.  Rick |
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| Author: | '67 Dart 270 [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | cut and glue |
As I saw it, if one were to build up the mounting surface so they can glue the glass down as in the new cars. Then the remaining job is to make it look like the factory install from the outside. That is, the clips for the chrome are the same, nothing to change there. But the gasket (literally no longer needed since the glass is glued down and sealed) is simply an aesthetic feature, so cut it in half or perhaps remove a quarter of it around the perimeter (the quarter that would otherwise go around the inside of the metal lip, but now doesn't need to nor can it because you changed the mounting surface nor can it go around the glass) and glue the rubber down (since it can no longer be held in by going around the metal lip or glass edge). Then reinstall the chrome using the clips as usual. I'd have to have the windshield out, make measurements and see if this is even feasible. But to Rick's point, this all seems much harder than just making the thinner glass work with the gaskets. I say that now, but from what I'm reading these are notoriously hard to seal correctly. Also, it seems I'll have to do this on my own, since nobody seems to do this lost art any more. brian |
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| Author: | Rick Covalt [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:17 am ] |
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I guess I am spoiled here. The guy that paints my cars is extremely picky (Good thing). He recommends only one glass guy in the area because of 2 things. 1) HE is the only one he has found that he can trust to install the new glass and rubber on a brand new paint job and not scratch it up. 2) If it leaks he comes and fixes it immediately without any problem. A new windshield & rubber for my truck is $295 installed! Rick PS. I am sure some are harder than others, but I installed the front and rear glass in my 65 Valiant myself, and I didn't think it was that hard at all. |
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| Author: | Sam Powell [ Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:12 am ] |
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But does your Valiant sit outside in the rain? Both the front and rear on mine leak some, even though being installed by an old pro.. I think that is why the floors and trunks of these old Mopars rusted so badly. For years windsheild wiper seals were blamed, and while this may be true, that was only part of the story. I knew folks who complained about this condition when their A bodies were just a few years old. The gasket serves as the trim for the headliner on the inside. Changing the basic design came to mind after both my carefully done restorations leaked. This is one of thise things that would require creativity and care if possible at all. Sam |
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