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| Author: | shadango [ Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Oil pump change with engine in car |
Hi all Wondering if anyone has done an oil pump change in a 1989 plymouth volare, specifically..... I found some great instructions on this forum.....and will follow those. But am wondering if there are any model specific hints or shortcuts. Also, the instructions say to put the front end up on stands......would there be any reason I could not do this with the front wheels up on ramps? Also the idea of using a 2x4 to jack up the engine using the passenger block to oil pan lip scares me....is that safe? Thanks all. |
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| Author: | Reed [ Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil pump change with engine in car |
Quote: Hi all
Hello!Quote: Wondering if anyone has done an oil pump change in a 1989 plymouth volare, specifically.....
I assume you mean 1979.Quote: I found some great instructions on this forum.....and will follow those.
Jack stand might get the front end a little higher and giveyou more working room, but ramps will likely be fine.But am wondering if there are any model specific hints or shortcuts. Also, the instructions say to put the front end up on stands......would there be any reason I could not do this with the front wheels up on ramps? Quote: Also the idea of using a 2x4 to jack up the engine using the passenger block to oil pan lip scares me....is that safe?
Have you ever seen the film "Marathon Man" starring Dustin Hoffman? Once you have, the phrase, "Is it safe?" will take on a new significance to you.Anyway, yes, jacking up the engine with a 2x4 against the pan rail is OK, but I prefer to jack the motor up with the 2x4 on the bottom of the pan. It is a bit less precarious there. You have to jack the motor up pretty high to get the clearance to slide the oil pump out on a Volare/Aspen/Diplomat body. |
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| Author: | shadango [ Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:04 pm ] |
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"Pretty high"? That's sounds scary. We had jacked the engine up using the pan to change the two motor mounts......higher than that? Cause we just made it....... The post seems to indicate you don't lift it as much as y I u tilt it?? |
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| Author: | Reed [ Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:21 pm ] |
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Quote: "Pretty high"?
"y I u tilt it"? Huh?That's sounds scary. We had jacked the engine up using the pan to change the two motor mounts......higher than that? Cause we just made it....... The post seems to indicate you don't lift it as much as y I u tilt it?? When I say "pretty high, I mean about six inches. It has been a few years since I swapped an oil pump out on a Volare or an Aspen, but my recollection is that I removed the passenger side motor mount and loosened the driver's side, then jacked the motor up 5-6 inches. |
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| Author: | shadango [ Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:34 pm ] |
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Lol.... Fat fingers on a tiny keypad. "You tilt it"......lifting the passenger side and pivoting on the driver's side mount right? Or does it have to be a full lift on both sides? |
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| Author: | Reed [ Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:21 pm ] |
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Yes. I left the driver's side motor mount bolt installed so the motor would pivot when jacked up. |
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| Author: | shadango [ Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:00 am ] |
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Just to close this thread out for anyone looking for info, this worked great! Lifting the engine this way made it an easy job.....my son Red Baron got the pump out in minutes once we jacked up the engine a little.... Thanks so much Reed! |
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| Author: | Reed [ Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:33 am ] |
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Happy to help. My first slant six vehicle was a 78 Volate wagon, so I have a soft spot for f bodies. |
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| Author: | shadango [ Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:55 am ] |
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Quote: Happy to help. My first slant six vehicle was a 78 Volate wagon, so I have a soft spot for f bodies.
I wish the pump was the problem.....We have moved on to stripping stuff down to remove the engine...... |
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| Author: | Reed [ Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:09 pm ] |
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Sorry to hear that. Have you verified low oil pressure with a mechanical oil pressure gauge? Could be a faulty electric gauge, electric sending unit, or wiring. Could also be a clogged oi lfilter. |
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| Author: | shadango [ Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:00 am ] |
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Quote: Sorry to hear that. Have you verified low oil pressure with a mechanical oil pressure gauge? Could be a faulty electric gauge, electric sending unit, or wiring. Could also be a clogged oi lfilter.
Yeah, we put a gauge on it and got ZERO.Pulled the filter and ran it a second or two and NO oil flow... Turns out it was a sized oil pump......metal (non metallic) from SOMEWHERE was squished in the pump, siezing it. The gear had stripped off the oil pump shaft (we did recover that and the gear itself was fine). We opened up the oil filters and found more metal. Bummer. Now the decision is whether to get a crate /6 or have a local shop try and rebuild this one. |
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| Author: | Brian [ Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:13 am ] |
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I have had Brougher's machine shop do a rebuild for me a few years ago. Also had some oversized valves installed. Never had any problems. They have done a few slant six motors over the years. |
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| Author: | shadango [ Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:12 am ] |
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Quote: I have had Brougher's machine shop do a rebuild for me a few years ago. Also had some oversized valves installed. Never had any problems. They have done a few slant six motors over the years.
I know of them..had them press a bearing for me a few years back....Do you recall what the cost was on your rebuild and was it a stock rebuild or warmed up? Would you go back to them? |
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| Author: | Brian [ Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:48 am ] |
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Never had any issues with Jerry there even though he's a 350 Chevy guy.  He did the bottom end and machine work on my drag race motor. He also did the head with oversized valves on my green 67 Dart. I can't remember what the total cost was. He did a few motors for Greg Ondayko as well. I think Greg will also back his work.
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| Author: | Greg Ondayko [ Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:34 am ] |
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Where are you located? Brian is in West mifflin, and I am in Irwin. Welcome aboard If you want to talk about what to do maybe you can stop by the garage sometime. Good luck. Greg |
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