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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
Been sick for the last week, and that leads to just laying here thinking weird thoughts. With all the threads/posts, about upgrading brakes. Has anyone looked into adapting a early "stand alone" ABS system to one of our vehicles? I just had this idea, but haven't dug out my tech/training manuals, to see if it might be possible/feasible (not feeling that good). |
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
Interesting to think about, but not so simple to implement. You need wheel speed sensors, a computer, a pump, plumbing and wiring. My 1995 B2500 has 4-wheel ABS and it looks to be about as simple as they come. Fabricating the sensor and tone ring mounts is probably more than most would care to do. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
Also, it's not just parts to attach to the car; there's a whole hell of a lot of vehicle-specific calibration and tuning to make such a system work safely, let alone well. |
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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
As for wheel sensors, some of the brake conversions, already have them, if I'm not mistake,. Explorer rear for example. Some members, here, have made "tone" rings for Ign, and fuel. Not too much different. However, I am a complete computer illiterate, so don't know about that end of it. |
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| Author: | DusterIdiot [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
It's too bad they aren't calibrated for our vehicles, but some 90's truck/SUV 8 1/4 and 9 1/4 rearends have the ring... but not sure how that would transfer so well to a Pre-80's rear housing.... |
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| Author: | Greg Ondayko [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
I would guess that if this retrofit was all that viable then someone company like wilwood, ssbc, baer, brembo etc would have already devolped an extra computer /standalone system for hot rods... but as others stated this retrofit could be much more detrimental than its worth.. with varying brake bias etc. Greg |
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| Author: | emsvitil [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
Quote: I would guess that if this retrofit was all that viable then someone company like wilwood, ssbc, baer, brembo etc would have already devolped an extra computer /standalone system for hot rods... but as others stated this retrofit could be much more detrimental than its worth.. with varying brake bias etc.
It's probably more of a liability problem. The kit won't be matched properly to an individual vehicle. Greg When it doesn't work correctly, they'd get their ass sued off |
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| Author: | Greg Ondayko [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
Yes that too. Greg |
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| Author: | afastcuda1970 [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
You could try retrofitting the parts from a 1971 Imperial Lebaron. |
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| Author: | ntsqd [ Thu May 31, 2018 5:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
I know of one 4 wheel disc conversion that used one of these instead of a proportioning valve: http://www.larsenracingproducts.com/pro ... m-lbs.html  Works to slow the pressure rise in the rear brake circuit. If you have a good natural brake balance to start with I can easily see not needing nor wanting a P-Valve. |
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| Author: | jcc [ Thu May 31, 2018 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
I saw in a recent issue of Race car Engineering, an aftermarket universal abs system. It had three? levels of capability/price if I remember correctly. Looked to be geared towards racing, it had some tunability, was from a large reputable firm, I can't get to the Mag until late Sat. It looked interesting, I would expect it to start showing up on the high dollar Magazine checkbook cars. It was advertised at base price $5900?, not bad insurance on a $100K+ build driven aggressively. |
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| Author: | Badvert65 [ Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
There is an issue of Mopar Action, or one of those magazines that shows how to adapt an early Dakota truck ABS to virtually any vehicle. I will see if I can find that issue and post the details. -Matt |
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| Author: | lgu32 [ Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
Early a-body 9" brakes are almost non-locking as they are. A stop from 100MPH ends with smoke and temporary brake loss. |
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| Author: | jcc [ Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
The ad I saw was in 1/18 issue of Racecar Engineering page 47, made by Bosch, basic(?) system is listed at 5091pounds as of 12/31./17, its labeled a "race" system, likely for liability, and the fact its end user tuneable. here is link to distributor tech specs: http://www.motorsport-systems.co.uk/abs-m5-race-kit PS they use "M5" in their nomenclature, but I can't see anywhere that references a BMW M5. my thinking is its just coincidence, If I am wrong , let me know, as this is not a BMW site.  
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| Author: | emsvitil [ Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: anti-lock brakes on a early "A" body? |
It's the M5 computer from Star Trek. That computer will kill you...……….. |
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