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Author:  GregCon [ Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Rod bolt stretch / torque

I put the rods/pistons in my 225 today. These are the rods I used ARP 142-6001 bolts in. The stock rod bolts are torqued to 45lbs, and ARP bolt specs are .0055-.006" stretch, or 50lbs if you don't have stretch gauge.

Like I do with every engine, I torqued the bolts to the specified amount (50lbs) using my Snap-On torque wrench and ARP assembly lube on the threads*. As with every engine, there is not enough stretch. I checked each bolt and got .0035 -.004" max.

So....I increased the torque. It took 70lbs. to finally hit .0055". This is something I've seen on pretty much every engine I've assembled, it's not a unique occurrence. I'd guess ARP will tell you the clamping strength of the bolt is way under spec at .0035" stretch. Some food for thought if you are using a torque wrench alone.

*I fully cover both threads AND underhead of the nut with assembly lube. I've found that if you leave the underhead dry, it wastes a good bit of the torque effort. I'd guess a dry underhead on this application would give you .003" or less stretch at 50lbs..

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Author:  Dart270 [ Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rod bolt stretch / torque

Thanks for the info, GregCon. Nice to see some comparison measurements!

FWIW, I have always overtorqued my stock fasteners to 55, basically using the "feel" of it and thinking 45 ft-lbs was not enough. I guess this says that maybe I was feeling the stretch... :mrgreen: When I did the torque-angle method for my K1 rods and ARP bolts, I went a bit past the angle they recommend (about 5 deg more). K1 specified using torque-angle or stretch methods, and that torque alone was not acceptable.

Lou

Author:  GregCon [ Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rod bolt stretch / torque

Yea...there's a lot to be said for 'feel' when it comes to tightening a fastener. Running the ARP's to 70lbs. 'felt' a lot better than 50lbs. I wish I had a way to read stretch on blind fasteners...

Author:  CNC-Dude [ Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rod bolt stretch / torque

You can! Done it many times...

Author:  DadTruck [ Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rod bolt stretch / torque

Quote:
a way to read stretch on blind fasteners.

precision grind the bolt head flat then use an ultra sound gauge
to measure the bolt length in the free state and then in the torqued state,
the difference is bolt stretch

Author:  GregCon [ Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rod bolt stretch / torque

I mean a method I can afford lol

Author:  CNC-Dude [ Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rod bolt stretch / torque

If you have a mag base indicator stand, that along with components in your pics......

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