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Author:  Slantsix83 [ Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:02 pm ]
Post subject:  What determines top speed?

I have a 83 slant six with a 4 speed ford tranmission from what I was told. Since I had to buy a ford clutch not really sure what type. My top speed is about 45 mph 4 gear pedal to the floor. What is wrong I would like to go up to 85 90 mph.

Author:  mcnoople [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What determines top speed?

Even loaded a slant six ram should eventually go much faster than 45mph. Do you have a tach installed. Are you sure that you have a "ford" trans? That is an odd thing to find in a dodge. If it has the expected 833od trans I might expect the truck to be faster in 3rd instead of 4th gear due to OD rpm drop on 4th gear. If the engine is far enough out of proper tune it might not have enough power to pull against that overdrive.

Sounds like it is time for basic tune-up, inspections, verify if the engine is original, identify what carb is installed, verify what the trans actually is. Just roll under, take a picture, and upload it here we can ID an 833od pretty fast. If the engine is not original there is a chance it has a mechanical valvetrain that requires adjustment, 1983 should have no maintenance hydraulic if it is original. Then there are other fun potential areas like intake leaks or stuck exhaust heat riser.

Edit, if someone has messed with the shift linkage on an 833od it is possible to have 3rd and 4th gear swapped on the shift pattern. It puts 4th on top of 3rd instead of 4th down like it should be.

Author:  Rick Covalt [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:55 pm ]
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If it still has the Lean burn system on it, it could be crap as well.

Author:  Slantsix83 [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:00 pm ]
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Even loaded a slant six ram should eventually go much faster than 45mph. Do you have a tach installed. Are you sure that you have a "ford" trans? That is an odd thing to find in a dodge. If it has the expected 833od trans I might expect the truck to be faster in 3rd instead of 4th gear due to OD rpm drop on 4th gear. If the engine is far enough out of proper tune it might not have enough power to pull against that overdrive.

Sounds like it is time for basic tune-up, inspections, verify if the engine is original, identify what carb is installed, verify what the trans actually is. Just roll under, take a picture, and upload it here we can ID an 833od pretty fast. If the engine is not original there is a chance it has a mechanical valvetrain that requires adjustment, 1983 should have no maintenance hydraulic if it is original. Then there are other fun potential areas like intake leaks or stuck exhaust heat riser.

Edit, if someone has messed with the shift linkage on an 833od it is possible to have 3rd and 4th gear swapped on the shift pattern. It puts 4th on top of 3rd instead of 4th down like it should be.
When i bought this truck is has all sorts of different parts from ford chevy dodge.So the carb is a ford carburetor that I bought new since I got a reman dodge and it cropped out quick. So the accelerator cable is a ford that I kinda had to make shift with the pedal. The trans from what I was told is a ford since it take a ford clutch, it is a 4 speed though I'll upload pics. The ignition system I did the swap that has a ford coil an a chevy module. When I got this truck it has all sorts of different parts.

Author:  Slantsix83 [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:04 pm ]
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Pic of the trans.

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Author:  Rick Covalt [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What determines top speed?

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ford coil an a chevy module.
That is a good swap.

First verify that your throttle is opening the carb the whole way. Start there- simple stuff first.

What is the initial timing set to? What is the timing at say, 2500 rpm?

Author:  Slantsix83 [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What determines top speed?

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ford coil an a chevy module.
That is a good swap.

First verify that your throttle is opening the carb the whole way. Start there- simple stuff first.

What is the initial timing set to? What is the timing at say, 2500 rpm?
I'll check the carb first. What other simple stuff could I check? How would I check the timing an at 2500 reps I have no tac.

Author:  Slantsix83 [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What determines top speed?

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ford coil an a chevy module.
That is a good swap.

First verify that your throttle is opening the carb the whole way. Start there- simple stuff first.

What is the initial timing set to? What is the timing at say, 2500 rpm?
It doesn't open all the way. It opens up halfway. Should I cut the cable to make it sorter or what are my options

Author:  Rick Covalt [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:31 pm ]
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It doesn't open all the way. It opens up halfway.
That would be a major problem! :D :D Maybe show us a picture of the cable setup at the carb. But without a picture I would guess you need the point where the cable housing mounts to be further towards the firewall. Farther from the carburetor linkage.

Do you have a timing light? Check it at idle, with no vacuum hooked up. Then rev it up and see if it moves up towards 30 degrees when revved up.

Author:  Slantsix83 [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What determines top speed?

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It doesn't open all the way. It opens up halfway.
That would be a major problem! :D :D Maybe show us a picture of the cable setup at the carb. But without a picture I would guess you need the point where the cable housing mounts to be further towards the firewall. Farther from the carburetor linkage.

Do you have a timing light? Check it at idle, with no vacuum hooked up. Then rev it up and see if it moves up towards 30 degrees when revved up.
I don't have a timing light I'd have to buy one. It's not the best set up since I'm not the best at modifying stuff that's mot meant to be. Does anyone have a 1bbl carb for the slant six something new old stock or 2 bbl with the intake. It's hard to find stuff for slant six. Pics below. Or how could I fix my current set up.

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Author:  Rick Covalt [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What determines top speed?

From the picture you have a serious problem with the throttle cable mount. You must have the cable housing mounted firmly to a bracket that holds the cable in place when you push the throttle. It appears yours is zip tied to other flexible items. You or someone who can help you will have to fabricate something solid. A cheap timing light would be a wise investment or at least borrow one.

Author:  Slantsix83 [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What determines top speed?

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From the picture you have a serious problem with the throttle cable mount. You must have the cable housing mounted firmly to a bracket that holds the cable in place when you push the throttle. It appears yours is zip tied to other flexible items. You or someone who can help you will have to fabricate something solid. A cheap timing light would be a wise investment or at least borrow one.
I tried using the same mount at the bottom so it made it worse. Is the length of the cable too long as well? I think it's 32. I'll look into buying a timing light. Would you know of anyone that has a 1bbl carb for sale that would work so I can just buy the oem cable. If jt doesn't plan out. Also is the length too long?

Author:  Rick Covalt [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:23 pm ]
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The length of the cable is not the problem. It is how it is mounted. You can have a longer than needed cable and it can work fine. It just has to be mounted correctly and not flex.

If you don't have some fabricating skills you may be better off finding an original carb and cable set up. But finding 40 year old carbs in good shape can be a pain also. Maybe someone on here has one?

Author:  Slantsix83 [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:28 pm ]
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The length of the cable is not the problem. It is how it is mounted. You can have a longer than needed cable and it can work fine. It just has to be mounted correctly and not flex.

If you don't have some fabricating skills you may be better off finding an original carb and cable set up. But finding 40 year old carbs in good shape can be a pain also. Maybe someone on here has one?
Flex as in the bends what do you mean by flex. Also that would be great if I could find a new.old stock one. What type of transmission do I have were you able to tell?

Author:  Rick Covalt [ Mon Aug 19, 2024 8:41 pm ]
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The main problem you have is that the end where the mounting tab is must be mounted solid. No give. The length of the cable can give some flex or deflection too. But that is not you major problem. I have a cable as long as yours and it works fine. Get the end mounted correctly and see if it pulls your throttle open. The height of that mount in relation to where the cable hooks to the carb needs to be right as well. Move the throttle by hand out at the carb. See where it starts and stops and the arc that it moves through. Generally you need the cable mounting point to be a little below the point where it connects to the carb. That way it can fully open the carb.

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