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Author:  oldewrenchbender [ Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

Has anyone a trick or two as to how in this lifetime one gets to the mystery headlight switch knob shaft release button everywhere talked about?!!!!
Mine (61 Valiant v-200) with the push button transmission selector is impossible to get even one finger into the left side and a full contortionist repertoire performance to monkey around on the right side as well.
I truly HATE the idea of having to cut the shaft off and then have to scrounge about to purchase another switch ass'y for the shaft. I need to pull the instrument cluster to change the windshield wiper spline transmissions.
Ideas?
Thank you, in advance.
:roll:

Author:  SlantSixDan [ Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

There's nothing for it but removing the parts that are in the way.

Author:  oldewrenchbender [ Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

Quote:
There's nothing for it but removing the parts that are in the way.
Thanks, I'd guessed as much.
Still no physical way as all the nice deep draw dash metal work leaves zero finger room even after pulling the trans.shifter button/park brake lever ass'y out. Real nice sharp burr edges though. ;-)
In the end I scrounged another light switch with the knob and shaft. i certainly would love to have access to the production maroons that design things without FIRST having to spend 10 years in back woods service garages!
Better yet give 'em a bunch of old flea market tools and a dirt floor shed and their own designs to work on!!
Alas... dream on.

Author:  SlantSixDan [ Wed Jul 09, 2025 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

On the one hand, yeah, and I'm sure there were plenty of people cursing up a storm about the difficulty of getting at the headlamp switch on these cars, especially given the crummy quality of parts Chrysler were accepting at the time from suppliers (supplier-kickback scheme at Chrysler at the time — CEO eventually lost his job over it, etc).

On the other hand, no cars are designed, engineered, or intended to last anywhere near as long as the one you're presently cursing up a storm at.

While you're in the neighbourhood of the headlight switch: On pre-1968 vehicles (with a few exceptions not including your car), the parking lamps do not remain lit when you turn on the headlamps. For 1968, this was changed so the parkers stay lit with the headlamps for safety (in case of a headlight burnout you still have at least some visible light on the burned out side of the car). This is easy to retrofit: remove the headlamp switch and unplug its multi-wire connector. Put a short piece of 18ga wire between from the "P" to the "R" terminals on the headlamp switch body, right down at the base of those terminals. Make sure the ends of the jumper are neatly tucked so they won't touch any adjacent terminals. Solder if you like. Then push the connector back onto the switch, on top of your new jumper wire which won't get in the way, and reinstall the headlamp switch. This will emulate the wiring setup of '68 and later cars that keep the parking lamps lit with the headlamps on.

Also while you're in that neighbourhood, heed: there is minimal electrical protection in the '60-'61 cars. A few individual circuits are protected by inline fuses, but that's about it, and there is no main circuit protection (fusible link). Adding a good deal more circuit protection is a very fine idea, sooner rather than later if you want to keep the car. This thread has resources and pointers for upgrades.

Author:  61 Val Jack [ Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

That little button can be tricky. I cut the opening in the bottom of the fiberglass housing a little bigger to access the switch better. I had to replace my switch because one of the previous owners just yanked it out, ruining the switch.

Author:  oldewrenchbender [ Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

Quote:
On the one hand, yeah, and I'm sure there were plenty of people cursing up a storm about the difficulty of getting at the headlamp switch on these cars, especially given the crummy quality of parts Chrysler were accepting at the time from suppliers (supplier-kickback scheme at Chrysler at the time — CEO eventually lost his job over it, etc).

On the other hand, no cars are designed, engineered, or intended to last anywhere near as long as the one you're presently cursing up a storm at.

While you're in the neighbourhood of the headlight switch: On pre-1968 vehicles (with a few exceptions not including your car), the parking lamps do not remain lit when you turn on the headlamps. For 1968, this was changed so the parkers stay lit with the headlamps for safety (in case of a headlight burnout you still have at least some visible light on the burned out side of the car). This is easy to retrofit: remove the headlamp switch and unplug its multi-wire connector. Put a short piece of 18ga wire between from the "P" to the "R" terminals on the headlamp switch body, right down at the base of those terminals. Make sure the ends of the jumper are neatly tucked so they won't touch any adjacent terminals. Solder if you like. Then push the connector back onto the switch, on top of your new jumper wire which won't get in the way, and reinstall the headlamp switch. This will emulate the wiring setup of '68 and later cars that keep the parking lamps lit with the headlamps on.

Also while you're in that neighbourhood, heed: there is minimal electrical protection in the '60-'61 cars. A few individual circuits are protected by inline fuses, but that's about it, and there is no main circuit protection (fusible link). Adding a good deal more circuit protection is a very fine idea, sooner rather than later if you want to keep the car. This thread has resources and pointers for upgrades.
Thank you.
As you say... not intended to still be around now. Still ZERO excuse for stupidity at the design - engineering depts. how many years had the manufacturer been building and selling cars??? Alas the customer always IS viewed as the 'Mark' in a suckers shooting barrel.
Yes, I'll incorporate those upgrades since one is already deep in the hog wallow.
STILL and All I do love the the 60-61 Valiant just as I loved my 1950 Studebaker Champion Starlight Coupe ( the TRUE prize winning head in anal canal design for maintainability.. a pre-Corvette collection of horrible service stupidities)!

Author:  oldewrenchbender [ Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

Quote:
That little button can be tricky. I cut the opening in the bottom of the fiberglass housing a little bigger to access the switch better. I had to replace my switch because one of the previous owners just yanked it out, ruining the switch.
Thank you.
I'll do as you suggest. Gosh knows when next one will need to get to the back of the instrument cluster or into the recesses windshield mechanism , defroster hose heaven!

Author:  crickhollow [ Mon Sep 08, 2025 3:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

Easy :D If you are modern you have fitted the radio speakers in your rear parcel shelf.

So now you don't need your front speaker which can be permanently removed.

To get access to the headlight switch you only need to remove your speaker grill, insert your hand into the opening and locate the little button on top of the switch.

The rest is easy!

Oh, a good idea is to glue an extension piece of "stuff" on top of the little button and it will be easier to find/press next time!

Author:  oldewrenchbender [ Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

Quote:
Easy :D If you are modern you have fitted the radio speakers in your rear parcel shelf.

So now you don't need your front speaker which can be permanently removed.

To get access to the headlight switch you only need to remove your speaker grill, insert your hand into the opening and locate the little button on top of the switch.

The rest is easy!

Oh, a good idea is to glue an extension piece of "stuff" on top of the little button and it will be easier to find/press next time!
Yep a very good suggestion. Also cuts down on spurious noise in as much as there is nothing worth hearing on radio anymore (and I best not get started on the railing garbage mass formation psychosis mobile blog morass!!!). :lol:
Anyone remember " ...and Now for the rest of the story.." radio programs?

Author:  hyper_pak [ Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1961 Valiant Headlight switch removal

Removing the very brittle speaker cover is NOT recommended.
It will break and finding another......
Remove the seat and lay on the floor, makes getting to the switch easier, not easy.

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