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 Post subject: coilovers
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:24 pm 
i was thinkin i want to do a front coilover swap( not that elcheapo crap rednecks do,NO offense) and i need to know whats gotta go and whats goota be done to put them in. and if anyone knows about puttin in rears also, it be cool to know. o, this is on a 75 duster. thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:26 pm 
i also forgot, im gonna do a ford 8in swap also!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:21 am 
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check out bill reilly's alterkation.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:58 pm 
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Whoa that looks neat! Wonder how well it'll work on a street car.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 4:58 pm 
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Email bill reilly if you want more info about it. He is a great guy to talk to. My understanding is this is the only coil over setup built with the correct geometry for a street car. I checked this thing ouy top to bottom at carlisle. It is of the highest quality.
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 Post subject: Coil overs
PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:09 pm 
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Just out of curiousity, what's your reason for wanting coil-overs? They do have a few advantages over the torsion bar design if you want some sort of exhaust setup that won't clear the torsion bars, or want the lighter weight of a Magnum Force Racing or AlterKation tubular K-member. There isn't much of anything to gain - and a whole lot of difficulty - if you want to just swap the stock shocks for coil-overs.

The good coil-over kits out there are basically complete redesigns of the front subframe and suspension geometry. Installing one means disassembling pretty much the entire front end of the car. Any coil-over kit that doesn't entail that is probably not worth installing.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 10:28 am 
i got to take the front end apart to fix the driverside frame and im gonna add tubular bars in place of the orig inner fenderwells. i like coilovers better because theier known to last longer, better at handaling and improve stability. handaling isnt the best or better over the stock setup but it will help with subframe connectors, the tubular bars in the engine bay and some other stuff. i will be gettin rid of the whole front setup eventually but, i wanna do a "basic" swap to street race when i need too. say when ricky racer pulls up in his kamakazi soundin pos, then it'll help.

btw my other mopar ( car has actual c/o's in place of just the shocks and the backend barely even sways, the original springs are to weak to do anything . the front is super squirelly with basic springs and basic shocks.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 10:29 am 
i got to take the front end apart to fix the driverside frame and im gonna add tubular bars in place of the orig inner fenderwells. i like coilovers better because theier known to last longer, better at handaling and improve stability. handaling isnt the best or better over the stock setup but it will help with subframe connectors, the tubular bars in the engine bay and some other stuff. i will be gettin rid of the whole front setup eventually but, i wanna do a "basic" swap to street race when i need too. say when ricky racer pulls up in his kamakazi soundin pos, then it'll help.

btw my other mopar (f-body) car has actual c/o's in place of just the shocks and the backend barely even sways, the original springs are to weak to do anything . the front is super squirelly with basic springs and basic shocks.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 10:29 am 
i got to take the front end apart to fix the driverside frame and im gonna add tubular bars in place of the orig inner fenderwells. i like coilovers better because theier known to last longer, better at handaling and improve stability. handaling isnt the best or better over the stock setup but it will help with subframe connectors, the tubular bars in the engine bay and some other stuff. i will be gettin rid of the whole front setup eventually but, i wanna do a "basic" swap to street race when i need too. say when ricky racer pulls up in his kamakazi soundin pos, then it'll help.

btw my other mopar (f-body) car has actual c/o's in place of just the shocks and the backend barely even sways, the original springs are to weak to do anything . the front is super squirelly with basic springs and basic shocks.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:41 pm 
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Wait a minute. You have coil overs in the rear of an f body. Do you just have the coil over shock that is called a "load leveler" or "helper shock".
Or do you have a real coil over setup with a 4 link or something holding in the rear axle.

What do you mean basic springs and shocks on the front. No chrysler car that Im aware of had springs in the front after 59 or 60 (somewhere in there).
Do you have some sort of coil over setup on the front
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 4:01 pm 
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I think that he means that he has torshon bars (those are springs, too) in the front and he has the leafs in the rear, with coil over shocks instead of the standard shocks.

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 Post subject: Coil overs
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:23 pm 
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I'm trying to figure out from your post if you want to (a) swap the whole K-member, or (b) try to connect coil-overs to the stock control arms. If you chose option a, you might get all the advantages you listed, although since they're race pieces, I'm not sure if they will outlast a stock setup given that many race pieces are designed for light weight rather than longevity.

A coil over setup will only be longer lasting, better handling, and more stable than stock if it is designed better than stock. A set of coil-overs with poorly chosen spring rates will produce a car that might bottom out even at 4x4-like ride heights, understeer like a pig, or possibly even get extremely tail-happy. If the geometry on a set of coil-overs is bad, you'll wind up with a car so twitchy it'll feel like it has a mind of its own. If you want to redesign a significant part of your front suspension and have to ask what's involved, please consider the possibility that trying this sort of project would really be getting in over your head.

When it comes to longevity, stability, and handling, sound engineering is far more important than the type of spring used.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:13 am 
i just really needed to know if the t-bars had to go. or if i could keep em for xtra support, if not ill just get rid of em. other than that im gonna take my time, btw ive been over my head since i bought my duster. needs alot of stuff replaced EXCEPT interior, roof, and floors. motors blowed trunks got rust fenderwells have no fender mounting holes now, driverside frame has rust in front possibly in the rear, trans is good but im sellin it along with the rear. needs doors, rockerpanels, quarterpanels,FENDERS, hood, well trunk lids still good, bout evrything but the actual shell is rotted,dented, or basic scrap. and its something im tryin to save since everyone claims is junk.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:18 am 
holy crap! i just notice there is no coil prings in the front! whoa, i thought something was missing....


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 12:15 pm 
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holy crap! i just notice there is no coil prings in the front! whoa, i thought something was missing....
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