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Author:  volaredon [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Paging junkyard fans; will it work??
For all of you junkyard fans, I have been tossing a question around my head ever since I started my Project Magnum Volare (for lack of a better name at this moment). I am restoring a 1980 Volare 2 door (NO, NOT numbers matching). It is presently a bare gutted shell in a homemade "rotisserie" garage ornament. Anyway, I (PLEASE don't hate me for this one) have a 318 MAGNUM out of a Durango that I plan on putting into this car via a Dakota wiring harness/ECM. :twisted: (Don't knock it,,, I got the engine for free and yes, it runs!) I think that I have most of the details worked out as I have built and rebuilt this car probably 100 times in my head, except for 1. :? That is one of how to supply the multiport EFI with gas. I have considered the stock fuel tank with a Holley Blue (or similar) external pump, the stock tank (modified) with some sort of an internal pump added, OR, go junking with a tape measure in hand and find another tank that fits "close". I am not considering a fuel cell taking up my valuable trunk (NO, I am also not gonna fill it with subs and amps, either) I stumbled across an idea that might work, by accident. I know you'll never find an interchange like this one in any Hollander book, so I thought that I'd ask you guys; I recieved a flyer at work from a supplier offering "deep discount" pricing on radiators, gas tanks, etc.
While looking thru this before tossing it, I noticed that they had a new stock gas tank available for my car, as well as one for a 91-95 Caravan. :idea: Guess what; The dimensions were almost identical!! Would a Caravan electric fuel pump support a Magnum V8?? I think that I remember reading somewhere that the Magnum takes 48 PSI of fuel pressure to run it. Among the different V6's and the Turbo 4 bangers that they put into Caravans over the years, do all Caravans require the same fuel pressure?? Is it better to look for a tank&pump ass'y from a van with one engine over another?? Would a Caravan float assembly properly work with my factory Volare gas gauge? Is there another possibility that any of you have found works that I am not thinking of?? Hey EFI /6 fans; could this also fit your car?? I am trying to redo this car as much as possible with parts that I have on hand, as well as keep it all Chrysler if at all possible.
Author:  steponmebbbboom [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:01 pm ]
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what other bodies did they list for this tank? Is it plastic? What else does it fit?
Author:  volaredon [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:23 pm ]
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Its metal, and the one that I'm considering was only listed at least by this company, for Chry. minivans.
Author:  redworm67 [ Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:41 am ]
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replacement fuel pumps are same from a 2.4l to a 360 magnum.check out walbro.they are a popular replacement.try howwell automotive for more info..good luck
Author:  67 LAWNDART [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:35 am ]
Post subject:  i love this kinda subject
:) :) :) when using components out of another vehicle look at the requirements you have, size and configuration of the tank, electrical components, fuel pressure and such. the caravan reply you got was right on the money, but dont overlook the entire system as it is exists in the caravan. there is an adjustable fuel pressure regulator on the 3.0 and 3.3 litre. the fuel sender/gauge issue remains a question to me though. look at the specs and go from there.
Author:  ShivaDart [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:17 pm ]
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Hey, if anyone ever knocks you then remember there are two types of restorations, and I feel both are needed to properly appreciate our old cars.

The first type is musuem quality, they don't embrace the times, they only embrace theirs. The only time this type is obligated is if you have a one of a kind vehickle that ought to be in a museum.

The second type is custom, and it embraces the times, no matter what time it's in. You have a volare, their's no doubt that 1000 other guys are restoring theirs custom and 1000 others are restoring theirs original. You can drive a custom 50 years from now and have it drive like any brand new car and it'll be enjoyed for many years.

One can only look at so many musuem pieces before they wish to see cars that aren't relegated to sitting idle for the rest of their times being nostalgiac, they'll want to see old cars that look beautiful and are just as comfy as a modern Buick. So, don't feel bad about your custom because their's at least a couple thousand restoring your same vehickle by the numbers.
Author:  ShivaDart [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:17 pm ]
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Hey, if anyone ever knocks you then remember there are two types of restorations, and I feel both are needed to properly appreciate our old cars.

The first type is musuem quality, they don't embrace the times, they only embrace theirs. The only time this type is obligated is if you have a one of a kind vehickle that ought to be in a museum.

The second type is custom, and it embraces the times, no matter what time it's in. You have a volare, their's no doubt that 1000 other guys are restoring theirs custom and 1000 others are restoring theirs original. You can drive a custom 50 years from now and have it drive like any brand new car and it'll be enjoyed for many years.

One can only look at so many musuem pieces before they wish to see cars that aren't relegated to sitting idle for the rest of their times being nostalgiac, they'll want to see old cars that look beautiful and are just as comfy as a modern Buick. So, don't feel bad about your custom because their's at least a couple thousand restoring your same vehickle by the numbers.
Author:  ShivaDart [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:17 pm ]
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Hey, if anyone ever knocks you then remember there are two types of restorations, and I feel both are needed to properly appreciate our old cars.

The first type is musuem quality, they don't embrace the times, they only embrace theirs. The only time this type is obligated is if you have a one of a kind vehickle that ought to be in a museum.

The second type is custom, and it embraces the times, no matter what time it's in. You have a volare, their's no doubt that 1000 other guys are restoring theirs custom and 1000 others are restoring theirs original. You can drive a custom 50 years from now and have it drive like any brand new car and it'll be enjoyed for many years.

One can only look at so many musuem pieces before they wish to see cars that aren't relegated to sitting idle for the rest of their times being nostalgiac, they'll want to see old cars that look beautiful and are just as comfy as a modern Buick. So, don't feel bad about your custom because their's at least a couple thousand restoring your same vehickle by the numbers.
Author:  ShivaDart [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:17 pm ]
Post subject: 
Hey, if anyone ever knocks you then remember there are two types of restorations, and I feel both are needed to properly appreciate our old cars.

The first type is musuem quality, they don't embrace the times, they only embrace theirs. The only time this type is obligated is if you have a one of a kind vehickle that ought to be in a museum.

The second type is custom, and it embraces the times, no matter what time it's in. You have a volare, their's no doubt that 1000 other guys are restoring theirs custom and 1000 others are restoring theirs original. You can drive a custom 50 years from now and have it drive like any brand new car and it'll be enjoyed for many years.

One can only look at so many musuem pieces before they wish to see cars that aren't relegated to sitting idle for the rest of their times being nostalgiac, they'll want to see old cars that look beautiful and are just as comfy as a modern Buick. So, don't feel bad about your custom because their's at least a couple thousand restoring your same vehickle by the numbers.
Author:  ShivaDart [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:17 pm ]
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Hey, if anyone ever knocks you then remember there are two types of restorations, and I feel both are needed to properly appreciate our old cars.

The first type is musuem quality, they don't embrace the times, they only embrace theirs. The only time this type is obligated is if you have a one of a kind vehickle that ought to be in a museum.

The second type is custom, and it embraces the times, no matter what time it's in. You have a volare, their's no doubt that 1000 other guys are restoring theirs custom and 1000 others are restoring theirs original. You can drive a custom 50 years from now and have it drive like any brand new car and it'll be enjoyed for many years.

One can only look at so many musuem pieces before they wish to see cars that aren't relegated to sitting idle for the rest of their times being nostalgiac, they'll want to see old cars that look beautiful and are just as comfy as a modern Buick. So, don't feel bad about your custom because their's at least a couple thousand restoring your same vehickle by the numbers.
Author:  ShivaDart [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:18 pm ]
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Hey, if anyone ever knocks you then remember there are two types of restorations, and I feel both are needed to properly appreciate our old cars.

The first type is musuem quality, they don't embrace the times, they only embrace theirs. The only time this type is obligated is if you have a one of a kind vehickle that ought to be in a museum.

The second type is custom, and it embraces the times, no matter what time it's in. You have a volare, their's no doubt that 1000 other guys are restoring theirs custom and 1000 others are restoring theirs original. You can drive a custom 50 years from now and have it drive like any brand new car and it'll be enjoyed for many years.

One can only look at so many musuem pieces before they wish to see cars that aren't relegated to sitting idle for the rest of their times being nostalgiac, they'll want to see old cars that look beautiful and are just as comfy as a modern Buick. So, don't feel bad about your custom because their's at least a couple thousand restoring your same vehickle by the numbers.
Author:  volaredon [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:14 pm ]
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what other bodies did they list for this tank? Is it plastic? What else does it fit?
No, maybe I wasn't quite clear on my orig. post. The flyer did NOT list the same tank for the Volare as they did for the Caravan. They were 2 different tanks, each with their own part number, I was just noticing how close to identical the outer dimensions were between the two, and therefore whether that meant that I could substitute the Caravan tank for my stock one.

On the other reply, thanks for the encouragement that you offered as far as being able to modify ones own car to their liking from factory original, but I think that you need to check your keyboard or mouse, I think that one or the other is sticking, or else you just feel that strongly about your feelings on the subject to have posted the same response 6 times.
Please don't take that bad, I'm not trying to say this like a complaint at all. I know, I gotta be real careful with my POS computer, if I don't watch really close, some of the more used keys tend to stick and I wind up with 3 or 4 of the same letter and it loooooooks craaaaaaazy! SSSSeeeee whaaaat I meaaaaan????
Author:  67 LAWNDART [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  clarifying my first reply
my original reply was pretty much saying that you can indeed use that caravan tank if the physical dimensions are close, but, it might end up being a package deal. that possibility is pretty cool if you consider the fact that all of your components come from the same vehicle. i dont think i communicated that correctly after reviewing my first reply.

ive been fabricating, customizing and cannabilizing (borrowing from other cars, regardless of the manufacture) for many, many years. it always is a god send to me that i can take a entire system, such as fuel tank with fuel pump/sender and pressure regulator all in one fall swoop.

regarding the custom/original point of view, i agree with shiva in all aspects. i have two cars custom, to an extreme degree. ive seen both of those makes sitting in folks' garages bone stock, with out a hope of seeing the open road unless the weather is perfect. i appreciate their effort and applaud their accomplishment, however, in one case i took the worst car ate up with rust i could find and radically customized it. knowing it was destined for recycling, why not? in the other case, a full body off type resto/refurbish/update was the plan of attack. that car could easily have been returned to its original state, with alot less work. but its all in the vision and thats what our passion is all about.

so no matter what your flavor is; stock original or various level of custom, i encourage you to pursue the end result that you have envisioned, with great passion. because like my signature says:
Author:  GTS225 [ Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:34 am ]
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Don, I suggest you check in the parts books. If the same fuel pump is used for 4-bangers, V-6's, and V-8's, I see no problem. The big question is not one of pressure, but of volume. I had planned on using a ford V-6 pump, as it's externally mounted on the driver's frame rail.

As for the interchange between the Volare and minivan tanks, the dimensions might be close, but the shape may give you problems.

Roger
Author:  ShivaDart [ Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:25 pm ]
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Sorry for the multiple replies, the computer was screwed up. IIIII DDDDIIIDDDNNNTTT MMMMEEEAAANNN IIIITTTT. :D Anyway, hopefully that won't happen again.
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