Has anyone installed these on the daily driver? do they actually not squeek? I've heard that the "self lubricating" thing was BS. for a daily driver is rubber my best bet?

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64' Valiant Signet 5.9, 64' Dart 170 moredoor 3.7, 67' A100 3.7, 00' Dakota SLT 4.7

Mine haven't squeeked yet, although I have had my car off the road for a while to get the EFI set up. I'll get back to you when I'm driving it again.

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"Mad Scientist" Matt Cramer
'66 Dart - turbocharged 225
My blog - Mad Scientist Matt's Lair

Yep. They suck. You have to define "work"... They seem to "work" just fine for some folks, but they are flawed by design in my book.

D/W

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If it ain't broke, fix it!

by work I mean, they dont squeek and provide the urethane handling characteristics. I've been looking at all this trick suspension stuff trying to figure out if I really need it or not.

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64' Valiant Signet 5.9, 64' Dart 170 moredoor 3.7, 67' A100 3.7, 00' Dakota SLT 4.7

Well, as far as handling is concerned, they are the same as regular polyurethane. The upper control arms may bind using polyurethane bushings, if you think that will contribute to good handling, then go with them! They seem to pop and groan more than they really squeek.

D/W

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If it ain't broke, fix it!

I'm starting to think rubber is all I really all need for control arm bushings. My tubular UCA decision is still in full swing though

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64' Valiant Signet 5.9, 64' Dart 170 moredoor 3.7, 67' A100 3.7, 00' Dakota SLT 4.7

I have had poly bushings for years ....they dont make a sound. They must be properly installed. I think they are smarter money than tubular UCAs.

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

...you see, sandy and I have had this thing going on here for years about these bushings. He thinks if someone has a problem with them (meaning me that is), they did not "properly install" them. I assure you that mine (and all of the others I've been around that popped and squeeked) have been "properly installed". The bottom line is, there is almost no way to put them in an older Mopar upper control arm and have the caster and camber set where you need it without binding the bushings. This binding is taken up by the stock rubber bushing by design. There is no off-axis "give" to the hard polyurethane bushings, so they bind, scrub and wear.

Also, polyurethane bushings, by nature, require grease. Yep, you gob 'em up with grease when you do the initial install. Since they are not in any way sealed, this grease works it's way out over time and they dry out (sqeeeeeeek-pop!) There is no provision with the cheapo polyurethane bushings sold for Mopars to regrease with the bushing installed - what are you going to do, disassemble the front end and regrease the bushings every 10,000 miles??!

D/W

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If it ain't broke, fix it!

.....Dennis fails to explain why his pop and squeak while mine do not. My car is realigned regularly(checked once a year when the snow tires go on) and remains square. It may be a difference in install or climate ( I live in a wet cool climate).

Mine have been an asset to my vehicle since properly installed in 99....I figure at least 40,00 miles. They were coated with "never seize " when installed and have not been regreased since. Dennis' assertion you need to "bind them" to get a proper alignment may explain some of his problems. I dont "bind them". I have a performance aligment with a little more camber and caster....well within range of stock. The beauty of the poly bushings is the lack of off axis "give". If the car is straight and the alignment sensible you dont want or need "off axis give".

I dont care if you use rubber or poly...if its a cheap product poorly installed the results will be annoying.

Just for the record I have eurothane bushings in 4 vehicles here....and eurothane motor and trans mounts in my Suburban....no problems or squeaks.

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

....healthy debate.....

....master debaters...

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

As usual, you are not even grasping what I am trying to explain here. Please spend about a half hour carefully examining the layout of the upper control arm vis-a-vis the car body where it mounts and how the adjusters work and you may actually start to understand.

I don't doubt the fact that yours don't pop or squeek, could be any of number of things, perhaps your tolerance for pops, squeeks, rattles and other noises is higher than mine. Some of the cars I've encountered with popping, squeeking polyurethane bushings, the owner didn't even notice or care, but it was quite noticeable to me. Maybe if one turns the "squelch" up (or the radio ) a bit, it won't even bother them.

The lubricant that you used may have been conducive to staying put, and your climate vs. the one where I live is very likely a factor.

D/W

P. S. - Polyurethane in GM front ends is a whole different matter, (an entirely different layout which is more conducive to polyurethane) that's like comparing apples to oranges!

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If it ain't broke, fix it!

We can grow apples here and have about 5 acres in orchard. We cant grow oranges here....I bet you can at your house...no comparison.

Apples are better.

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

I agree. But then, I wish I lived in British Columbia, too. ...whoops, some might think I'm a closet canadiun wannabe - I guess I'll stick with dreaming of Washington or Oregon...

D/W

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If it ain't broke, fix it!

Brutish Columbia is just part of the Cascadian Empire.....so is Oilberta.

Some say its worth moving west justsos yer bushings can work....

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