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 Post subject: Cam bearing alignment
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2002 1:22 pm 
Been having a hard time with cam installation. Tried two sets of bearings and it is still rather tight. The cam is straight and journal diameters measure good except #4 is about .002 under. Could the block be twisted or warped causing bad bearing alignment? If so, how can this be checked. Thanks for the help. Darrin

dartman225@webtv.net


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2002 3:26 pm 
I rebuilt my 318 V8 a couple years ago and the cam shaft was tight, too tight to let it go that way. I could see where it was tight by the marks it left in the cam bearings. Especialy around some of the oil holes and the edges of the bearings. I used a triangular scraper to carefuly scrap off the high spots in the bearings. This is much easier to do without the crankshaft in the block. It takes a steady and carefuly guided hand to do the scraping. Now over 10,000 miles later all is working well. I don't know where to tell you to get a triangular scraper. Mine is a Nicholson brand (same place that makes files). I've seen others in catalogs over the years. Try your machine tool or industrial tool suplier.
Scraping bearing was a common task many years ago in the days of poured babbit bearings. Good luck.

cfield@ll.net


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2002 4:35 pm 
Quote:
: I rebuilt my 318 V8 a couple years ago and the
: cam shaft was tight, too tight to let it go
: that way. I could see where it was tight by
: the marks it left in the cam bearings.
: Especialy around some of the oil holes and
: the edges of the bearings. I used a
: triangular scraper to carefuly scrap off the
: high spots in the bearings. This is much
: easier to do without the crankshaft in the
: block. It takes a steady and carefuly guided
: hand to do the scraping. Now over 10,000
: miles later all is working well. I don't
: know where to tell you to get a triangular
: scraper. Mine is a Nicholson brand (same
: place that makes files). I've seen others in
: catalogs over the years. Try your machine
: tool or industrial tool suplier.
: Scraping bearing was a common task many years
: ago in the days of poured babbit bearings.
: Good luck.

I made a puller to install cam bearings a few years ago. I cut the journals out of an old cam and then welded washers on one side of each journal-to form a "T" shaped plug. I drilled a 5/8 hole thru the center of each plug.
I used a 3' piece of 5/8 threaded rod as the pulling device, using an old valve spring to cushion the load as each bearing was drawn into its bore.
I found that you can maintain better alignment of the bearings, as well as the oiling holes, by using this method. There's much less chance of distorting the bearings this way too.
Anyway, the newly installed camshaft could be turned by hand with minimal effort. I've had machine shops install bearings that didn't work this well (they usually drive them in with a hammer)
Hope I've been of some help.

thelogs@cox.net


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2002 9:21 pm 
Quote:
: I rebuilt my 318 V8 a couple years ago and the
: cam shaft was tight, too tight to let it go
: that way. I could see where it was tight by
: the marks it left in the cam bearings.
: Especialy around some of the oil holes and
: the edges of the bearings. I used a
: triangular scraper to carefuly scrap off the
: high spots in the bearings. This is much
: easier to do without the crankshaft in the
: block. It takes a steady and carefuly guided
: hand to do the scraping. Now over 10,000
: miles later all is working well. I don't
: know where to tell you to get a triangular
: scraper. Mine is a Nicholson brand (same
: place that makes files). I've seen others in
: catalogs over the years. Try your machine
: tool or industrial tool suplier.
: Scraping bearing was a common task many years
: ago in the days of poured babbit bearings.


I have also had this problem and actually took an old cam and cut some sharp grooves in the journals, the grooves act as "cutters".
Slide the special cam in, with some light oil and carefully rotate.
This trick will knock any high spots off the cam bearings!
DD


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2002 4:21 am 
Quote:
: I have also had this problem and actually took
: an old cam and cut some sharp grooves in the
: journals, the grooves act as
: "cutters".
: Slide the special cam in, with some light oil
: and carefully rotate.
: This trick will knock any high spots off the
: cam bearings!
: DD

This sounds like the best tip so far. But, with the #4 journal being a little undrsized, will I lose oil pressure to the top end? Darrin

dartamn225@webtv.net


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2002 12:02 pm 
Quote:
: This sounds like the best tip so far. But, with
: the #4 journal being a little undrsized,
: will I lose oil pressure to the top end?


The "make a cutter out of an old cam" trick is only ment to remove minor high spots or distortion.
If you find the there is lots of babbit being removed from any of the bearings, it is best to stop and find-out why.

Smoothing-out some high spots should not drop the oil pressure much. Doing this has no real effect on how much oil is allowed to flow up to the rockershaft. Here again, this is not ment to remove a large amount of material.
DD


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2002 8:29 pm 
My cam bearings had high spots by the oil holes and on the edges of the bearings from when the installer hammered them in. Just cleaning up these high spots is all you need to do.


cfield@ll.net


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2002 6:28 am 
Quote:
: I made a puller to install cam bearings a few
: years ago. I cut the journals out of an old
: cam and then welded washers on one side of
: each journal-to form a "T" shaped
: plug. I drilled a 5/8 hole thru the center
: of each plug.
: I used a 3' piece of 5/8 threaded rod as the
: pulling device, using an old valve spring to
: cushion the load as each bearing was drawn
: into its bore.
: I found that you can maintain better alignment
: of the bearings, as well as the oiling
: holes, by using this method. There's much
: less chance of distorting the bearings this
: way too.
: Anyway, the newly installed camshaft could be
: turned by hand with minimal effort. I've had
: machine shops install bearings that didn't
: work this well (they usually drive them in
: with a hammer)
: Hope I've been of some help.


I did something similar. I used washers for the plug, loose but did a pretty good job of keeping the 5/8 thread rod centered in the bearing. Also, I did not use a valve spring. Mine went in with no muss or fuss too.

Dave Clement


Hot-Rod 6
dave.clement@motorola.com


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2002 2:01 am 
Quote:
: I did something similar. I used washers for the
: plug, loose but did a pretty good job of
: keeping the 5/8 thread rod centered in the
: bearing. Also, I did not use a valve spring.
: Mine went in with no muss or fuss too.
:
: Dave Clement


i bought the cam bearing cadilac last year. talk about an odd ball tool with so many uses, and yes it is 3lb minisledge operated. the metal sleeve with rubbercup tightens inside the cam bearing/tranny bushing,outer metal rings expand and stabilize the bearing shell. removal is a piece of cake as well has an ajustable length aluminum handle, and several guides for perfect alignment. $185 tool and worth every penny.
i do use the washer, nut rod, socket trick for smaller bushings such as in 904 first gears....chad

beardliz@msn.com


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