Cathi, I am sorry, but to claim that manifold works as well as a set of Hookers is absurd. I was born at night, but not last night.

Also, I have a set of Hookers and did not have to use a mini starter, and could even get a full size starter out with them installed.

Again we have claims that just don't stack up and no proof.

Thank you for giving us an idea on price though.

Dennis

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I didn't mean to come across as insulting - but, like many of the others, I would like to see some test results to make sure this thing works as claimed. A back to back dyno test, for example.

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Please go back and read the threads more carefully, DodgeGirl. None of us insulted him (well, OK, it looks like we had one minor swipe at him from achille, who called his comments "drivel"). What we've all been doing is asking perfectly reasonable questions about his product. He's not talking in code, he's talking in circles (responding to questions with factless half-answers at best) and/or not talking at all (ignoring valid questions altogether, even when they're asked repeatedly).
That's as may be, but we are asking simple, direct questions that do not require anything more than plain ol' transcription to answer. The questions that are being asked call for powers of self-expression roughly equivalent to answering "What time is it?" when wearing an accurate wristwatch. However, if he really has such extreme difficulty answering questions, perhaps he ought to have had you come in and answer the questions on his behalf earlier in the game, instead of turning people off with behaviour that looks and sounds an awful lot like that of a con artist. None of us is perfect, and in order to get along in the world, sometimes it's necessary to work around our imperfections and shortcomings. That applies here, so "he has trouble expressing himself" is neither a good explanation nor a good excuse.
That is entirely possible, and if nothing else, he either is a very good weldor or he is careful enough to hire very good weldors. But being a remarkable engineer does not provide an exemption from the need for evidence to support one's marketing claims, nor from the need to respond satisfactorily to clear, basic, valid questions about the product.
OK, how did you do that? Are we talking two different cars, or back-to-back Hooker headers vs. his manifold on the same car, on the same day, with no other changes?
That's one of those easy "What time is it?" questions. He's been asked probably more than a dozen times now what the price is. He has ignored the question each and every time except once when he said it's "cost effective", and that's just not good enough to get the job done. If you're in the right neighbourhood and the price for his tubular manifold is $350 apiece, that's up in Dutra Duals territory (those work with regular starters, too, and there's a mountain of experience and data demonstrating their effectiveness and compatibility), and about triple the price of a new stock-type manifold. Where's the cost-effectiveness? Unknown until there's some real, valid support for the claims being made.
Good luck with that process.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. You can call it whatever you will, but in reality, it's a manifold: Multiple runners dumping into a single transverse logpipe, with one or two outlets coming off that same transverse log. It is not a header (individual pipes coming together just before the collector, with no transverse logpipe).

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I have never heard complete sentences or to much thats make much sence from him. With that said there are alot of brillant people that have dificulty with the english language, maybe this is one such person. Never the less, some how his product needs solid testing to be done. It's possible that this header/manifold and this engine combination does perform simalar to the Hooker headers (stars in alinement). Just looking at the design and the very little I know about air flow, its seems unlikely you will see the same performance on you engine. It looks like alot of turbulance would be generated, maybe even more than a stock manifold. I does look like it weighs less, that of course as long as its not made out of 3/8" thick pipe.

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PowerPipe material list. Flanges cold rolled 1/2 steel, water jetted. The pipe is aluminized .065 We also set up appointment for the dyno. 8/1/07 Hope this helps Don p.s.Have a great day!!

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how do u think this would hold up to a turbo, specifically the weight of a turbo and the heat

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Yes a log manifold is not a header. It would not surprise me if this did work as well, by the seat of the pants, as a hooker header on a stock engined car with low gears. Real headers don't do much for the bottom end and are really suited to engines with more modifications. I could see it working better than stock, but falling off where the hooker is just coming into it's own.


Aside from the materials, the welds and angle of the joints are a major factor as far as durability goes. It looks good to me, however. But, with the length of the log, it may want to crack. Only some real life road testing will tell. Is there any kind of warranty? Will it be valid?

With a turbo, anything short of well designed 304 stainless headers or cast iron with stainless expansion joints will need to have cracks repaired from time to time. A good 14 gauge mild steel header with some room to flex would be the next best bet, but will eventually crack. The dutras and a good header pipe look like the best turbo option I have seen for these cars. You could make a log style connector for the dutras with a flex joint in the middle. It would be very cleanand should work pretty well.

That .065" wall tube would not last under turbo use. If it were 321 stainless it would be another story, but it's certainly not 321.

If you want to see how to build a turbo header go here:
http://sdsefi.com/techheader.htm

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Aside from durability concerns you raise you're going to lose a lot of heat through that thinwall tubing, which means you'll be shooting yourself in the foot. The more heat you keep confined within the exhaust manifold before the turbo, the faster your turbo spins, the greater the boost, and the less the turbo lag.

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The powerpipe-DC (doubleconnection) was finished yesterday. We will post pics for the black flying birds and other people to enjoy, when we mount them on car this weekend. We will start the PowerPipe-TC (TorboConnection) Monday! Have a good day. Don

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