well now I'm surely onboard.

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[quote="argentina-slantsixer"]well now I'm surely onboard.[/quote]

*Morning! Say, didn't you and I chat a bit a few years back on this subject? I know that your Nation has some of the very best foundries in the world now.

I thought it was you that mentioned possible sourcing for ready made to spec pieces. I was interested at the time, then doors opened for valves lines and I sorta spent most of my time and capital on those.

SBC and Ford have been designed to death, jillions of options, it would seem to me to be possible to redesign off that basic and make anything.

*Most of those companies can't spell Mopar though.

I can see a neat market for a small custom shop, although the heat treating and peening would get interesting. Of course, if getting it right, no prob....*EB

Well, still listening in.........
(Have interest in the 198 steel rods.)

Roger

Sure, why not. I may as well plan for a proper bottom end for my turbo project.

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It does indeed look as if this may progress to a product, and as with several other group projects I sure would like to get on the list to get a set. If you need a deposit let me know. Cash is a great sifter of BS from action. I looked into getting these rods made in Richmond (VA) at an old friend's foundry last summer, but found even better possibilities in the old rust belt in Michigan earlier this summer. There is some "excess capacity" in that part of the world, capacity that never existed in the south and the guys that know how to do this work live there too.

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If we can get our requests down to one variation (I would prefer a long rod), we have a unique opportunity to design and build a batch of custom forged pistons as well. I would be happy to work with Doc to figure out what we want, and get us some quotes for custom forgings. The economies of scale for this will only work if we can all agree on one rod design, and one piston design.

Whatta ya think?

With my current schedule, 2 weeks to get the engine assembled, 1 week to get the motor into the car (or set-up on a "running stand") and 1 additional week to prep the car and get it out to a local race track.
(and about 2 hours for the track crew to clean-up the oil down if something goes wrong)

I would need to know the final rod length and also know if the rod bores would come honed to finished size.
DD

yes we talked about that. Happens that at about the same money invested I'd rather support somebody who's trying to start a business for his retired father than buy from a grouchy old local fellow

I'm higly interested if those rods are forged steel and they fit the regular way. Dont want to be assemblying from the crankcase side...

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I am also interesed in getting a set.
Doug, any assistance you need, including a tow to the track, just let me know.

Andy

Was thinking about this during a drive today. It seems to me that this is an opportunity to brainstorm before the cutter hits the steel.

Consider; AFAIK, 225 slant pistons are still relatively easy to get, (although not forged), while 2.2 slugs are a bit harder and more expensive to find. What about the possibility of having a rod made that is .100" longer than a stock 225 rod? We already know that most 225's have a -.120 (roughly) crown-to-deck height relationship, and by adding .100" to the rod length, wouldn't we be moving it closer to a zero-deck relationship, while increasing the compression ratio? I may be ignoring the swept volume though, and it may not increase static compression at all.

Just a thought, and that's what brainstorming is all about.

Roger

I think that the reason most of the guys that are interested on them rods are interested is for having a better rod/stroke ratio, plus if you're building a good motor, custom pistons are kind of a must. I'd like a 198 or even 7.100" rods. I'm not going to have custom pistons made for a 6.8" rod, too much distance from the center of the pin to the crown, IMHO

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Stock 225" conrod length: 6.7"
One inch longer than that: 7.7"

That is a really long rod to try to fit into an RG block!

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I think Roger and I are thinking along similar lines, actually. Instead of custom pistons, we actually have an opportunity to pick some OEM pistons from an application that wouldn't have worked before, due to compression height or piston pin diameter. For example, how about the SRT turbo neon 2.4 pistons?

http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com/wiseco/apps-Dodge.html

if not them, how about toyota and nissan engines with 88 mm bores?

Greg

actually I see no reference to one inch longer than... but... I've seen 7.3" rods fitting in a slant. 170 crank inside a long block. That combination would be very interesting, having a 170 crank, a 90mm bore and the longest rod you can fit. That would be a hell of a revver.

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Hmmmmm....I hadn't carried the thought process to this extent, but it's also a possibility. One can store the CNC program in a 'puter and rework it at will without an extreme amount of trial-and-error work to tweak it on a real piece of steel.
So...what application is there that we can get a readily available, forged piston in about 3.40-3.48 bore?

Roger