stay away from the eBay "high torque mini starters" i went that route and it lasted a week before the case broke on it. One junkyard special later and all is well again. i think they charged me like 15 for it and they gave a 30 day out the door warranty which is more than the chinese gave their peice of crap.

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'66 Barracuda super six turbo??

Pretty much, but they wear out too. And they have that annoying habit of eating up solenoid contacts WAY before the rest of the starter wears out. After having them on 3 of my old cars for a number of years, I'm back to regular Chrysler starters on two of them after the mini starters finally played out. Of course one of those Chrysler starters was a never used new-old-stock 80s vintage Chrysler starter courtesy of that ZZ-top looking dude fooling around under the hood of Dan's Lancer
That one works better than any other starter I've had in the past 30 years.

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Yeah, but that's a really easy and cheap fix.
Yeah, I remember you did have a weird drive problem with one of them. I do have a few mini starters, but none of them is installed on an actual engine.
I know naaaah-theenk!
Is that the first/only large-frame Chrysler starter you've had?

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

Been there, done that.... got tired O' doin that :-p

Ironically, THAT is the only one that's still installed (on the 318 Satellite). Of course the 318 Satellite is blocked up and stored and has been for the past 18 months.... The one on the Polara finally ate its brushes down to nothing (after 2, maybe 3 sets of contacts and God-knows how many miles). When I tore into that, I found that all the bearings were finally getting pretty loose, so I just put the parts in a box and threw that mini-starter in the attic for now. The NOS large-frame went in, and works just great. The R/T got the '66s original locally-rebuilt starter, and now has that NOS correct '60s Mopar sound *and* slow cranking speed, unlike what you get with the later series-wound small-frame starter
Oh, no... just the first one in like-new condition. I've got one or two others in the parts attic right now, in fact. One'sa local rebuild and in good enough condition that I could use it immediately if needed. The large-frame is actually my favorite flavor of Chrysler-built gear-reduction starter, even though I do still like the slow-cranking sound of the original small-frame from the 60s (like the one on the R/T). Its just a little more practical to have the fast-cranking variety in a daily driver.

Now that we're this far in the weeds- know anything about alternatives to the planetary GR Mitsubishi starter for the Jeep 4.0? I love my new toy, but that particular starter makes my teeth itch every time I hear it.

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I just found a field coil set for probably the scarcest factory-produced version of the small-frame starter, the #2098 500 small-coil 4-series unit used on all 1963 American-market engines plus 170 engines 1964-1969. I'm planning to incorporate it into my next starter experiment (bushings made out of nonstandard material). The free-running speed of the 3-series/1-shunt starters is 1950-2200 RPM. The small-coil 4-series is 2700-2900 RPM. The large-coil 4-series is 3750-4300 RPM. The large-frame is 5500-5800 RPM. Chrysler engineering material states that an engine equipped with the large-frame starter is cranked at 170 RPM. If that's reasonably accurate, then I calculate 11.3 compression events per second on an 8-cylinder engine, or 8.5 compression events per second on a 6-cylinder engine, which is what determines the frequency of the starter sound's pulsation. These figures seem about right for the sound created by an engine being cranked by the large-frame starter. If the free-running speeds above are close to accurate, then the series/shunt small-frame starter will crank the engine at about 62 RPM (4.2 compressions per second on a V8, or 3.1 compressions per second on a slant-6). The small-coil 4-series will crank the engine at about 82 RPM (5.5 comp/sec V8, 4.1 comp/sec 6-cyl). The large-coil 4-series will crank the engine at about 115 RPM (7.7 comp/sec V8, 5.7 comp/sec 6-cyl). These figures sound about right to me, how 'bout you? Does anybody else in the world except 440_Magnum and me care?
First question: Whaddya asking me for? You know I'll only go and ask he whom you could've asked in the foyst place!

Second question: Are you sure your starter is in good condition? They sound fine (not much different from the old Mopar series-shunt small-frame starter) when the bushings and gears are in good condition, but when the bushings and gears are in bad condition, they do indeed make a hair-raising, teeth-itching noise.

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

The answers, in the order asked, are "yes," and "almost certainly not."

Sometimes I think he doesn't ever want to hear the word "starter" again.
Yes, its fine. They just sound particularly odd on the Jeep 4.0 to me. Its the same basic starter design used on Chrysler 3.5s, and it sounds fine (not great, but fine) there. Don't know why the difference.

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Looks like you could probably revert to the pre-Mitsubishi Jeep 258 starter. It's a Ford movable-pole-shoe unit, which sounds different but not better, and sucks a great deal harder than the Mitsubishi unit.

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

You forget, I was a Ford guy way back (should I say that in public???)

The Ford floppy-pole-shoe starter and I have an understanding. We don't screw with each other too much. Silliness of the basic design aside, I actually always thought they were one of the better-sounding starters out there, because they spin as fast as a Delco without ever sounding like they need to be shimmed (because, like a Mopar, they DON'T). A very fluid, musical sound when they're working right. If it didn't a) entail finding one that hasn't been abused by rebuilders as bad as Mopar starters have, and b) installing one of the huge Ford starter relays and associated wiring, I might consider it.

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