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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:07 pm 
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Using the Fel-Pro manifold gasket set is kind of like using a Fram oil filter.
I disagree. The job of an oil filter is much more complex than that of a gasket. The gasket is there to make a seal between the manifolds and head. I have not had any problems with a Felpro manifold gasket that was not due to warped manifolds.
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Just because you happen to get away with something doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea if you have a better choice available.
When your 'better' is less available, more expensive and does nothing to improve my engine or vehicle I can find little reason to spend more the extra money. Why spend more to accomplish exactly the same thing which is to seal the manifolds to each other and to the cylinder head? If it isn't broken...

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Didn't mean to start a gasket fight, but thanks for the heads-up everyone.

I will get those manuals. Hopefully, I can find 'em online. I'm pretty good at tracking things like that down on the web for free---benefit of working on computers instead of cars. They are pretty old though, so I don't expect it at all.

It's astronomical for a gasket, but I'll deal with the flex to be safe. It sucks I opened the FELPRO, but not a big loss.

I fit right into all of those 1-liners too cliff. Ahahahaha.

Thanks again everyone. I appreciate your input. This site is great.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:38 am 
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Clif writes:

[quote]“I've been smoking cigarettes for years without a problem"
"I've been driving without a seatbelt for years without a problem"
"I've been using Chinese brake pads for years without a problem"[/quote]

Oh, stop it now before you go drive over a cliff in a cloud of smoke… All that inferior junk bolted into your ride; your on the edge man…

Josh:
[quote]What am I doing that's so wonderful a Felpro manifold gasket works fine for me?[/quote]

Josh, I suspect that you have refrained from trying to fit two badly warped metal surfaces together expecting a factory seal.



Now in Maine we have an easy, but time consuming, method of engine repair. It works on just about any make, with exception of perhaps high-end Euro trash. That stuff is just too uppity.

All one has to do is erect a tripod constructed of cedar posts about seven feet tall, held together by a chain. Using the tripod, pull ailing engine from the car, or truck, and just let it hang there in the “Door Yardâ€￾ for about three years, give or take, depending on the severity of the maladjustment… Put down the wrenches, and just walk away from it. Did I mention that this method is time consuming?

Once the time requirement has been met, and one has acquired and used up several models that that engine would fit into during the gestation period, it is time to reinstall the engine. Just drop it, bolt her up, connect up a fresh battery, and your good to go… All fixed.

Around here we call that Pyramid Power, it allows a fellow time to hunt, fish, and drink beer while accomplishing something constructive.

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:44 am 
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Not to continue the gasket war but consider these points:

--A Remflex, for example, runs between $40 to $50 shipped.

--That may seem expensive...until you take that heavy bastard of a manifold assembly off twice! Unless you use a lift or have four hands involved there just is nothing about pulling the manifolds off or putting them on that is particularly enjoyable.

--The thick graphite gasket will seal across pits, imperfections, and slightly warped surfaces. You most likely won't have to have the manifold surfaces machined perfectly flat (that is about the price of the gasket there).

--You might just be surprised at the performance afterwards when you are pulling a healthy vacuum.

Given that no one has stated that the higher qualitity (and more expensive) gasket has NOT worked I would not give the FelPro a second glance. Use it as a template to clean up your manifolds or something.

$50 really isn't THAT much money when it practically comes with a gurantee to work.

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Using the Fel-Pro manifold gasket set is kind of like using a Fram oil filter. It's not definitely going to fail and cause you to cry, but the odds of it happening are a lot higher than if you'd used a better gasket (or oil filter).

"I've been using Fel-Pro gaskets (or Fram filters) for years without a problem" isn't really very strong praise. Test it by plugging other things in:

"I've been smoking cigarettes for years without a problem"
"I've been driving without a seatbelt for years without a problem"
"I've been using Chinese brake pads for years without a problem"

Just because you happen to get away with something doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea if you have a better choice available.

(And there's no reason to prefer Remflex vs. the Australian gaskets or vice versa. They are equally good, and they are both far better than the parts store items of whatever brand.)
Nows the part where I chime in and ask what (praying to god) is wrong with Fram?


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Fram filters are poorly made from low-quality materials. See here.

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