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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:47 pm 
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I just bought an 83 d150 with 121,000 km (original) on it, it recently started ticking from quiet to loud, uphill downhill, totally random. The noise sounds like it is coming from the valves or something. This is what I have done so far:
Oil change/filter 10-40 with lucas oil
Gunk valve medic
91 octane-full tank

The noise sounds like metal on metal and is loudest when you put your ear rite to the valve cover. It doesn't do it on cold start.


Any ideas?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:34 am 
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u didn't mention when the last valve adjustment was.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:37 am 
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My original 1987 hydraulic lifter engine did the same thing. It was a bad rocker arm.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:59 am 
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I am not sure when the last valve adjustment was, I just bought the truck two weeks ago.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:12 am 
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As it's an 83 (if truely original) then it's a hydro motor and no valve adjustment is required. I won't comment on your choise of oil other then to advise dropping down in price and weight,like 10w30.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:46 am 
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Most likely you have an interment sticking lifter. Reason: crud loosened up from oil change; corrosion from sitting unused; bent push rod; one can’t tell without looking.

Pull valve cover for inspection of valve train. Is the top end & valve cover clean, or is there a goodly deposit of sludge? Are lifters & rocker arms all getting oil?

Was the oil you drained off during the last oil change nasty black thick stuff?

If it is a stuck lifter, sometimes, but not always, “Mechanic In A Canâ€￾ (Snake Oil) for sticking lifters will fix the problem, along with a few frequent oil changes using the proper weight oil, and a new filter each change.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:49 pm 
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I am treating the possibly sticky lifter with dextron III. If that doesn't work I will replace the lifters.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:02 pm 
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Try running 5w-30 oil and a Napa oil filter first. As was already mentioned, if your motor is original it has hydraulic lifters and doesn't have provisions to adjust the valve lash. Lifter noise could be a stuck lifter, a worn rocker arm, a worn lifter, or something else entirely. To change lifters on a hydraulic lifter slant you have to pull the cylinder head. You might want to try SlantSixDan's engine cleaning "soup":
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Careful-careful-careful. Those "engine flush" compounds you can find at the auto parts store can do a tremendous amount of damage.

I have long maintained that your engine is not a toilet (Chevrolet Vega, Cadillac HT4100 and V8-6-4, and Ford 3.0 owners excepted) and therefore does not need flushing except under specific and rare conditions as a corrective measure. Everyone's got a pet theory on how best to flush a crudded-up engine without pulling the pan. Some methods are harmless but ineffective. Some methods are potentially harmful. Some methods are harmless and effective. For best results, pick one of that last kind.

I do not believe there is any such thing as a safe, effective and fast engine flush procedure. You can pick any two of these three: Safe and effective (but not fast), safe and fast (but not effective), effective and fast (but not safe). The risks fall into two categories:
Softening/damaging engine gaskets and seals so they don't seal well any more
Sweeping large amounts of dirt and crud from its resting place into the oil filter, which plugs and goes into bypass mode, sending the cräp directly to the bearings and quickly failing the engine. I watched this happen to a Chev 305 once. It was quite a spectacle.


Those "5-minute engine flush" compounds mostly contain Butyl Cellosolve,
which is a specialized solvent that's very good at one particular task: Cleaning the mayonnaise out of a crankcase that's had coolant in it due to a faulty head (etc.) gasket. Their use in any other situation is risky.

My own engine flush recipe is a delicious blend of Marvel Mystery Oil (very light weight and good at dissolving gums and sludges), Kroil (best penetrant on the planet), ATF (detergent/dispersant with good lubricity), and Berryman B12 ChemTool (good at dissolving crud too tough for Marvel Mystery Oil). My procedure involves warming up the engine, draining the oil, changing the oil filter, replacing the drain plug (!), and pouring in the soup. For a 5-quart crankcase, I usually start with 1/1/2/1 (Marvel/Kroil/ATF/B12). Then start and run the engine in the driveway at around 1200 to 1700 RPM with no sudden acceleration and no load applied, for 15 minutes.

Shut down, drain (really let it drain, walk away for 45 minutes), change the filter again, repeat with new soup for 30 to 45 minutes depending how gross the first batch of soup was when it was drained and how quickly the second batch of soup cruds up. Check the dipstick periodically.

If the 2nd batch of soup comes out coalmine black and full of chunks, run in another batch of soup (and another new filter!) and repeat until chips, chunks and tar stop coming out when you drain it.

You'll note the filter is replaced before any attempt is made to introduce a flushing agent into the crankcase, and the filter is replaced again every time you drain a batch of flushing soup. Without doing this, you run the very real risk of inundating the filter, which will go into bypass mode and send all the loosened-up crud directly to the bearings and other critical parts: Goodbye, engine, it was nice gnawing you.

I've gotten amazing amounts of corruption and trash out of engines using this recipe and method. Other methods and other recipes may work better
for other people with other cars. And as always, be advised that if the engine is really tired and whipped, even a safe flush can cause additional problems in the form of "new" leaks.

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