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 Post subject: How high should I go?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:40 pm 
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Ok, I'm not putting a cam in my slant for now, but since I have to redo the head, I'm definitely going for higher compression.

I'm going to be using TBI fuel injection (not port injected, throttle body), using a Megasquirt 2, distributorless ignition ( EDIS system), no headers, super six intake, and it's a 76 engine. No air ports on the head.

So, how high should I bump this up?

I need it to run on regular gas. It will be used anywhere from 900 ft above sea level to 8000 ft above sea level.

Your input appreciated.


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My guess would be no more than 9 to 1.

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13.5 to 1 and just run a NOS octane booster :twisted:


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In a car, I would say about 9.0 to 9.2 to 1. In a truck that will be loaded, I would guess about 8.7 to 9.0 to 1. These would be actual measured values. You will probably have to recurve you distributor to go along with this.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:18 am 
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Wow that is a lot of difference in sea level. Shoot for 9 to 1 with a steel shim head gasket. Then if you need less compression use a felpro or other composite head gasket.
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PS the Megasquirt II will help a whole lot.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:00 pm 
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Wow that is a lot of difference in sea level. Shoot for 9 to 1 with a steel shim head gasket. Then if you need less compression use a felpro or other composite head gasket.
My02.
Frank
PS the Megasquirt II will help a whole lot.
I don't belive any of the local parts places have steel shim gaskets... Where would I find one?

Also, how does the MS help? I know I have to come up with timing curves for this thing, but is there some advantage beyond a carb?

I do not intend to have WOT enrichment...


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Charrlie S has them in stock I am currently out but will have 30 or so in about 3 weeks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:36 am 
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I don't belive any of the local parts places have steel shim gaskets... Where would I find one?
I have the steel shim gaskets in stock. They are the original Mopar head gasket part number 2843182. If you want any send me a PM.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:40 pm 
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I don't belive any of the local parts places have steel shim gaskets... Where would I find one?
I have the steel shim gaskets in stock. They are the original Mopar head gasket part number 2843182. If you want any send me a PM.
Is there anything I should know about using steel shim head gaskets? Lifespan, durability, heat, or other issues? I know that they're rarely used today, so, I'm assuming there's some reason for that.


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Is there anything I should know about using steel shim head gaskets? Lifespan, durability, heat, or other issues? I know that they're rarely used today, so, I'm assuming there's some reason for that.
They are not as forgiving as the thicker gaskets, if the head and/or deck are not flat.

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Do you retorque with the steel ones Charlie? Or use copper spray?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:23 am 
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Is there anything I should know about using steel shim head gaskets? Lifespan, durability, heat, or other issues? I know that they're rarely used today, so, I'm assuming there's some reason for that.
They are not as forgiving as the thicker gaskets, if the head and/or deck are not flat.
I'm not pulling the motor, or tearing it down. I am going to work on the head, though, and have it milled. Since I'm going be tough on this motor ( work hard, get hot, etc) I'm wondering if that's wise. I would have no question if I had the option of decking the block to true it up. No, the gasket's not blown now, but I do know that sometimes they aren't all that flat...

What do you think?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:43 pm 
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You should not have any problem. I am running them on my motors, and the decks have not ever been cut, and untill I installed the milled head on my Valiant, the head was not cut either.
I use Copper spray on the gasket, and I do retorque. The factory manual does not say anything about retorque, but I do it. I also retorque the felpro gaskets.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:46 pm 
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Much appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:00 pm 
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TBI fuel injection (not port injected, throttle body), using a Megasquirt 2, distributorless ignition ( EDIS system), no headers, super six intake
If your not using headers, you'll either want to open up the bottom and the ports of your manifold and run 2 1/4" exaust or go with dutra duals. Else your leaving alot of performance on the table with this setup...


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