Hey All,
Sunday Noon Update:

Just finished installing the OLD Alternator (the one that Smith Auto Electric pronounced functional).

Hooked up the Battery, and started Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine.

The Ammeter immediately showed the Alternator producing 30 Amps.

By the time Lorrie's Engine was at operating temperature, the Ammeter was indicating about 20 Amps at idle.

Turned on the Headlights and the Brights, and the Ammeter indicated 30 Amps.

The Multi-Tester indicated that with Lorrie's Engine running, the Battery was registering 13.93 Volts.

Lorrie's NEW Fuel Gauge works.

Lorrie's Engine is running superbly.

Lorrie's Transmission goes through the gears properly.

Got to looking at the NEW (but non-functioning) Alternator, and wonder of wonders, just to the right of the "big round thing", "the threaded stud", what Daniel calls "B+" was the letters: "BAT"!

Looked at the OTHER Alternator, and it too has the letters "BAT" next to what Daniel calls "B+", but they are somewhat obscured by the age of the Alternator.

Anyway, want to thank EVERYONE who came to Lorrie's aid in her time of need. We learned a lot and our level of expertise increased substantially.

Will be taking Lorrie off of the Jack Stands tomorrow morning when it's cooler outside, and then we'll go for a test drive up and down Long Drive, which used to be called "Easy Street". It's a rocky road with a dead end.

There's GOT to be a song in there somewhere.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Learn something JC? I always find there's plenty to learn with these sorts of challenging problems

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Al T

I think you maybe right JC But i def dont claim to be a song writer....

Hope the 'test drive' turns out as fun as it sounds, its always fun to awaken an ole friend after many moons and tak'er for a spin...

Hope the rest of YOUR day is fruitful and productive....

Hmm after a 'preview' for a proof read, the quote function looks to be having an issue in the beginning of thread... oh well its not THAT broke so......

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Hey Mr. OF,
It's nice when things finally work out.
At least till the Battery gets fully charged again.
Right.
It's on its own Toggle Switch. Am just going to have to learn to remember to turn that Toggle Switch OFF as part of shutting down Lorrie's Engine.
Got it.
Buddha said: "The beginning of wisdom is learning to call things by their proper name."
I was having the time of my life!
Daniel's alright with me.
Spent the first third of my life as a musician. Was a featured violinist with the Long Beach Junior Philharmonic Orchestra at the age of seven. Worked in Hollywood Recording Studios up until I got married. Song writing was just part of being a musician.
Have just returned from the Test Drive. It went without a hitch. Lorrie is solid and stable. Noticed a bit of a pull to the right when the Brakes were applied, but that will go away once the NEW Shoes are worn in a bit.

Driving Lorrie is going to take some getting "used to"! It's COMPLETELY different than driving Ms. American. Ms. American is Left Hand Steering as opposed to Lorrie being Right Hand Steering. Ms. American is a Manual Transmission as opposed to Lorrie having an Automatic Transmission. In Ms. American, one is sitting Low as opposed Lorrie where one is sitting up High.

But it's like riding a bicycle. Once you know how, it all comes back pretty quickly.
Lorrie and I didn't go very far, and we stopped to visit with my neighbor Robert. We made two trips the full length of Long Drive.

She ran GREAT!
Spent most of the morning installing Lorrie's Grille, installing Lorrie's Battery Hold Down Assembly, cleaning everything out of Lorrie's Cargo Bay, and getting her down off the Jack Stands.

It's already too hot to do anything else outdoors.

Will clean up where Lorrie has been sitting for sixteen year this even when it's cooler, and then put Lorrie back there to finish everything up.

Will be reinstalling the Removable Floor, Master Cylinder Access Panel, Engine Cabinetry, and Windshiel Wiper Blades tomorrow morning.

Robert will arrive tomorrow and we'll put the Front Bumper on.

Lorrie's not quite finished, but were getting there step-by-step, little-by-little.

Ms. American has proven to be quite an attention getter, she's not as unusual looking as Lorrie. Lorrie will catch people's eyes. She is quite imposing. There's nothing quite like her in the area.
I noticed that. It was one of the

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"It's a little too hot to be out working on Lorrie, but earlier this morning, prepared another connection to the Fuse Panel and ran a NEW 12 Volt Wire to a NEW Toggle Switch and connected the Fuel Gauge/Sender Unit AND the Tachometer to that Circuit"

Hey JC i was reading through your thread about your alternator not charging. Came across the point where you ran a new 12 v wire to create an additional connection to the due panel. YOu also installed a toggle switch. Can you show me how you did that please?

maybe just draw a crude diagram and take a picture of it? I also need to add a new fuse and a toggle switch.

thanks so much God Bless

Keni

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Hey Keni,
Sorry for being so late replying to your post. I didn't see it until just a minute ago.

The Toggle Switch is for the Fuel Gauge Power Source. There is a Wire that comes FROM Lorrie's Fuse Panel TO one side of the Toggle Switch, and then a Wire goes FROM the Toggle Switch TO the Fuel Gauge Power IN Terminal.

Don't know what you are putting the Toggle on, but Lorrie's Fuse Panel is NOT a stock unit. It is just a bunch of Fuse Holders.
Let me see if I can get this together, if it's not too late.
Hope YOU are well.

JC

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Hey All,
Wednesday Afternoon Update:

Monday, Lorrie Van Haul and I went to do the weekly errands. Lorrie started right up, but I noticed that the Ammeter was not showing any indication that the Alternator was charging the Battery.

When we returned from doing everything, the Battery was checked and showed that it had 11.47 Volts.

Yesterday morning at 4:00 a.m. Hooked the Battery Charger up to the Battery.

At 8:30 a.m., checked the Battery and it had 12.74 Volts.

Lorrie and I went to the Lumber Yard. Lorrie ran GREAT, but the Ammeter didn't show any charge.

Upon returning home, I noticed that if Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine could be revved up to maybe 4,000 RPM and the Ammeter would show a VERY, VERY, VERY slight charge.

Checked the Battery upon returning home, and it showed 12.27 Volts.

Went out this afternoon to start Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine.

Turned on the Run Switch, and hit the Start Switch and got absolutely NO action from the Starter.

Checked the Battery. It had 12.24 Volts.

The Horns work.

The Blinkers Work.

The Starter doesn't turn when the Start Switch is activated.

Am going to check the Fuses.

Am going to jump the Starter to see if it will turns.

If it doesn't, turn then the Starter is fritzed.

If it DOES turn, then there is maybe a Start Switch problem.

BTW, there is a little Chameleon Lizard living in the Dash Panel!

So two things...

Why isn't the Ammeter showing a charge?

And what is wrong that the Starter won't function when the Start Switch is activated?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Hope you all are well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Should have checked voltage while running... I doubt there is going to be any fuses in the actual 'start' circuit.
Well? Possibly, but make sure there isnt a big voltage drop between battery and starter.
My first suspected suspect.
His name isnt Murphy is it? Would suspect its not charging. Test running voltage fromt the + post of alt. should be over 12v. Suspect the switch went to lunch... After a test or two we should be able to get Ms Lorrie to behave again...

Am doing better now that i have the interweb back...

Hope YOU are well....

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Cheap, Fast, Reliable.... Pick 2...

Hey Dusty,
THERE YOU ARE! There isn't any way for me to check the Voltage at the Battery with Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine revved up. And the Battery Voltage WAS checked with the Engine idling, and it showed 11.87 Volts.
Yes, there IS a Fuse in the Start Circuit. But THIS is a non-issue now as the problem was found and solved. The problem was that the Fuse Holder wasn't making contact with the Common Electrical Source Strip. It was just that one Fuse Holder. Changed the Wire that goes to the Start Switch to another Fuse Holder, and everything turned out fine.
Shorted the 12 Volt Terminal on the Starter to the Solenoid Terminal and the Starter is fine.
There isn't.
The problem was, as mentioned previously, with the Fuse Holder not making contact.
Nope.
Haven't yet named him.
Alright.
Switch is fine now that it's getting power.
Well, am getting a "slight" indication of "Charge" from the Ammeter, but yesterday when Lorrie and I went to the Store, the Voltage in the Battery was checked BEFORE starting, and it was 12.47 Volts. After driving TO the Store, and back, the Battery was checked and it was at 12.27 Volts. As was mentioned previously, there IS a slight charge being registered by the Ammeter, but it isn't MUCH. Am thinking that the problem is with the Voltage Regulator.

But would LIKE to have it where the Alternator is putting out 13+ Volts to the Battery like it was previous to this latest bit of tempermental-ness.

Next time we go to Livingston, am going to take the OTHER Alternator (which is non-functional) to Smith Auto Electric and have them rebuild it. AND will get another Voltage Regulator and swap it with the existing Voltage Regulator to see if THAT makes a difference.

But for now, Lorrie is able to do what she's asked to do, and if the Battery gets down it can be charged with the Charger.
Was wondering what had happened to you.

It's supposed to rain here tomorrow and Sunday, and then be a LOT cooler here next week. Am ready to do some maintenance on the House, and will have the funds after the middle of next week with which to get Lorrie back to be robust again.

Anyway, nice to see your name on the list. Thanks for the response. Hope this finds YOU doing well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Well glad you found the problem and that it was an "easy" fix. Defiantly something going on with charging system tho. Hope ya get it sorted.....

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Cheap, Fast, Reliable.... Pick 2...

Hey Dusty,
Don't think it is the Ammeter. So it has to be either the Voltage Regulator, OR the Alternator.

Am going to get a NEW Voltage Regulator (they're inexpensive), and have the spare Alternator here rebuilt by Smith Auto Electric. Will install the NEW Voltage Regulator, and if THAT doesn't fix the problem, then hopefully the rebuilt Alternator will.

So how have you been doing?

It's been raining here since 7:30 a.m. Supposed to rain till Monday.

Took the Weather Guessers at their word and mowed the lawns yesterday. So the place looks pretty good, and the rain will sooth the grass.

Hope this finds YOU doing well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

I concur....
Well at least you have a source for rebuilding the originals So far so good, and You? Yes we went thru the spell of rain also....

Soooo whats the verdict JC? didja get 'er fixed?


Hope YOU are well....

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Cheap, Fast, Reliable.... Pick 2...

Hey Dusty,
Lorrie took me to do the weekly errands this morning.

The Fan Belt is really squealing. Tried to tighten it, but the Alternator is adjusted as far as it will go. Besides, the Fan Belt is really a "thin" one. It needs to be about twice the thickness and about an inch shorter. That may be all that is wrong with her not charging.

The Battery had 11.98 Volts yesterday evening.

Put the Charger on the Battery today at about 4:20 a.m. and by 9:30 a.m. it was up to 12.47 Volts. Checked it upon returning home, and it is at 12.04 Volts.
Am going to get a NEW Fan Belt tomorrow along with another Voltage Regulator at the NAPA. Am also going to take the OTHER Alternator to Smith Auto Electric tomorrow when Ms. American takes me to Livingston for cat food and Psyllium Husk.


Have been keeping VERY busy repairing some Cedar Siding on the East side of the House. Am almost finished, but have run out of Cedar Siding with about four 6'-0" pieces to go.
It got cold and blustery here yesterday. Was overcast this morning, but is turning out to be a pretty nice day.
Not yet. Have not been to Livingston yet though. Will be doing that tomorrow.

Will let you know how things work out.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Friday, November 2, 2012 Update:

Lorrie is NOT doing well.

She took me to run the weekly errands Tuesday before last. She was running beautifully. We came home and she was parked.

The following Monday, tried to start her to go run the weekly errands and she wouldn't start. She would just crank, but absolutely no fire.

Had some other things that took my full time, and didn't get back with Lorrie till yesterday. She still wouldn't start.

Was worried that there was something amiss with the HEI Conversion that was done. Was a bit discouraged to say the least.

BUT as a last ditch effort before giving up for the day, tried to start Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine one last time, and WONDER OF WONDERS, SHE STARTED RIGHT UP!

Brought her up to operating temperature and then shut her down. Was greatly relieved to know that the HEI Conversion was still functioning.

Went out this morning and tried to start her again. SHE WOULDN'T START.

There is fuel in the transparent Fuel Filter.

Tried some Starting Fluid. It didn't even make her cough.

It's like there's just no spark at all.

Checked all the circuits:
The one FROM the Battery TO the Starter is good.
The one FROM the Battery TO the Fuse Common is good.
The one FROM the Fuse to the Start Switch is good.
The one FROM the Start Switch TO the Starter Solenoid is good.
The one FROM the Fuse TO the Run Switch is good.
The one FROM the Run Switch TO the HEI Controller and on TO the Ignition Coil is good.
The one FROM the Run Switch TO the Voltage Regulator IGN is good.
The one FROM the Alternator Batt TO the Ammeter is good.
The one FROM the Alternator Field TO the Voltage Regulator Field is good.
The one FROM the Ammeter TO the Fuse Common is good.
All the Fuses are good.

Lorrie also has a problem with her Alternator. At idle it is putting out 11.97 Volts. When the Engine is revved up it puts out 12.9 Volts. Put on a NEW Voltage Regulator thinking that the problem might have been the OLD Voltage Regulator. There was no difference.

Have taken Lorrie's OTHER Alternator to the Smith Auto Electric Shop for a rebuild. It will be ready next week. Am going to install THAT Alternator and hopefully it will put out the 13 to 14 Volts that it should be putting out, and then will take the one that is capable of making only 12.9 Volts in for a rebuild.

Am at wit's end with this not starting.

Would like to have Lorrie to where she would be as reliable as she once was, and am hoping that she can be again.

Any suggestions on what might be amiss, and what to do about it?

Will answer any and all questions to the best of my ability.

Thanks in advance for any help on this matter.

Hope this finds YOU all doing well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Have you measured the voltage getting to the HEI unit itself? SlantSixDan recommends using a relay to power the HEI unit to ensure that the unit "sees" full battery voltage. There have been reports of shortened HEI module life with less than full battery voltage applied.

You might also have a failing coil.

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