Hey Mr. DI,
Good information. Thanks for posting it. Lorrie's Distributor is a NOS 3874714 unit from Old Car Parts and seems to be doing just fine.

Be well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Thanks for the updates,glad Lorrie is behaving! Good luck with the Galaxie, could be a uni joint or maybe a tire... I've had tires fail and go out of round and create some pretty unpleasant vibrations. Let us know what you find!

Hey Steve,
Lorrie seems to be getting better daily. She started pretty easily this morning, but still needed a shot of Start Fluid. Did some adjusting of the Choke and Idle Speeds, and will see if she will just start up without any Start Fluid tomorrow morning when she's cold again.
Hopefully she will continue and maybe even improve a bit.
Thanks. Can use all the good luck available.
Ms. American has her front Tires up on Ramps, and the Rear Axle on Jack Stands. Am going to be seeing what can be found in the next few days. Supposed to start raining here at 3:00 a.m. But the week ahead looks pretty good.


For sure.

Thanks for the interest and response.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Sunday Morning Update:

Rain let up. Went out and took the Air Cleaner off of the Bendix Stromberg. Gave the Throttle a one pump stroke by hand to see if the Choke Cam would set. It did.

Alright... So there we were... Choke Plate completely closed... Fast Idle Cam in the proper position... Single pump of fuel in the Intake Manifold... Turned on the Run Switch... Activated the Start Switch... Engine turned over twice and LORRIE STARTED RIGHT UP!

No Start Fluid... No Throttle... The MIGHTY 225 Slant Six went to the 800 RPM Idle... Let her warm up... Blipped the Throttle... The Fast Idle Cam released the Cold Idle Speed Screw... And Lorrie settled into the 550 RPM Idle, pretty as you please! Turned off the Run Switch... The Engine just quits...

And I said: "Thank you Ross (Ross is a very nice guy who had taken the time to go step by step with me to get to this point). And thank YOU Lorrie."

So will do the same thing later this afternoon, just to make sure that it will happen again. If the same thing happens, am going to do it again tomorrow morning, and if it happens one more time, will reinstall the Removable Floor, and the Engine Cabinetry.

The next thing that NEEDS to be done is to disconnect the Battery, take the Dash Panel loose, and see WHY the Headlight Brights aren't functioning properly.

Once that is remedied, am thinking that Lorrie will be reliable as the Daily Driver while Ms. American gets everything done to her that needs doing.

She needs her Steering linkage rebuilt. Have to find out why she has started doing the hula. Get the Windows back to rolling up and down.

Want to thank everyone here at the Slant Six Forum for all the help. It is very much appreciated.

The future looks bright ahead.

Am sitting here smiling!

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Happy you got it worked out. However, your idle speeds seem pretty low. Fast idle is normally around 1200 RPM and curb idle in neutral is normally 750-850 RPM depending on application.

Why are yours set so low?

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I'd pump twice in the morning and see what happens.....

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64 Valiant 225 / 904 / 42:1 manual steering / 9" drum brakes

Hey Reed,
I was VERY surprised this morning that Lorrie started so easily.

I had been "tutored" by a fellow over on the Ford Muscle Forum who took a "trust me on this" attitude. And so I was more along the lines of placating him. And damned if he wasn't spot on, much to my delight.
You think so?
Well, the Manual that is here says the Curb Idle in neutral should be 550 RPM, and though there isn't anywhere that Fast Idle speed was mentioned, the guy at the FMF said it should be 50% higher, so I added 225 to 550 and got 775 RPM, which I rounded off to 800 since it was easy to see on the Tachometer/Dwell Meter.

And Lorrie seems to be completely happy at 550 and 800 RPM. As has been mentioned previously, when she is running good, she seems to be just a BIG, GENTLE old thing.

When we get out on the road, she cruises between 55 and 60 MPH, and have driven her between Houston to Hollywood a number of times and she'll go like that all day and all night without any complaint.

Though I do have to tell you something that can now be told since she is back to being up&running again:

We were one time coming South out of Oregon, full of light and sound equipment, having just finished a tour with a band called Saroyan in Eugene on Crimmas Eve of 1976, and we were going along, and all of a sudden, Lorrie started to spit and sputter. And I said: "Lorrie, just get me back to Cherry Valley, and I promise to one day completely rebuild you!" And instantly she straightened up and quite spitting and sputtering.

So with the advent of this latest accomplishment of the HEI System working and getting her to start up like she did this morning, I've kept my promise to her. It has taken half a lifetime for me to keep my promise, but we've done it. Lorrie is in the best shape she's been in since coming to live with me in the Summer of 1975.

Anyway, as was mentioned previously, I'm sitting here smiling.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey Mr. E,
Am afraid that she'd flood again.

Tomorrow morning early while it's still cool out, am going to go with a single pump, like this morning, and if she starts with THAT, am going to conclude that she likes it like that.

One thing that is going to get done though is: Remember, have regapped the NGK ZFR5N Spark Plugs from 0.045 to 0.035. There is another set of NGK ZFR5Ns here gapped to 0.045. So before putting the Removable Floor and Engine Cabinetry back in, am going to put the 0.045 Plugs back in and see how she like them.

Will do an update on THAT test.

Anyway, hopefully Lorrie is going to be back to being the reliable lady she was before 1996 when she was parked and sat quietly till November of 2009 when I started to rebuild her. It's taken three years and three months, but she is now spiffier than ever since she came to live with me in 1975.

If anyone is interested in what all has been done, the journal of this rebuild can be found here:

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275562

and here:

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=218

JC

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Hmmm, well if the service manual says 550 RPM, I would set it at 550 RPM. I know the 69s era cars had lower idle speeds than later. I guess I am just used to the later cars and trucks having curb idle speeds around 750. If it is working for you don't mess with it!

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Hey Reed,
Lorrie's MIGHTY 225 Slant Six seems to be happy as a clam at 550 RPM.

She has a slight tendency to "creep" in Drive with no Brake application, but doesn't "creep" in reverse.
Just looked in the Service Manual and 1967 225 CID (Lorrie is a 1967) was the LAST year for the 550 RPM Idle Speed.

The 1968, and 1969 170 CID Slant Six had an Idle Speed of 700 RPM and the 225 CID Slant Six had an Idle Speed of 650 RPM.

Starting in 1970, and 1971 the 198 CID Slant Six had a Manual Transmission Idle Speed of 700 RPM and an Automatic Transmission Idle Speed of 650 RPM.

In 1972, the 225 CID Slant Six went to 750 RPM Idle Speed, and it wasn't until 1975 that the 225 Slant Six and the 225 Slant Six California Engines went to 800 RPM.
Alright.

Am going to be going out later this morning and starting Lorrie up just to verify that she will do it. Am not going to warm her up, as I want to change the NGK ZFR5N Spark Plugs with the 0.035 Gap to the NGK ZFR5N Spark Plugs with the 0.045 Gap to see if that makes any difference.

Then last evening, it was noticed that one of the Bolts holding the NAPA Echlin TP45 Control Module was slightly loose. Am going to do whatever is necessary to remedy that. It may be as simple as putting some Thread Locker on the tail of the Bolt, OR, it might take removing the HEI System Assembly and putting a Split Lock Washer under the Nut.

Once satisfied that everything is EXACTLY as it SHOULD be, will be putting in the Removable Floor, and Engine Cabinetry.

Still have to find out why the Bright Headlights are not functioning.

Once all THAT is done, am going to call Lorrie FINISHED.

It's been an interesting almost four years that it took to get her to this point. Hopefully she will live a long and happy life.

And thank YOU for your interest. Will keep you updated on developments.

Be well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Thanks for the updates,great to hear things are all good in slant six world......sounds like it time for that beast of a Galaxie to get the attention! I think old cars are like females,great fun to be with and to be seen with,show them plenty of attention and treat them well and all is good,but take them for granted and your in trouble!

Hey All,
Monday Morning Update:

Temperature 40 degrees.

Gave Lorrie's Accelerator a single pump. Choke was closed. Fast Idle Screw on the High Step of the Cam. Cranked the Engine. LORRIE WOULDN'T START!

Checked the Fuses. They are all fine. Pulled Number 5 Spark Plug. Doesn't seem to have any gasoline on it.

Gave the Carburetor a shot of Start Fluid. Didn't even make Lorrie cough.

Will try again when it warms up.

Don't know what else to do.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey Steve,
It's the second half of doing this hobby!
That was yesterday. Today, Lorrie is back to her old recalcitrant self, deciding not to start this morning. She won't start when it's cold. It's 40 degrees out right now.
Can't actually do anything with Ms. American till Lorrie is reliable. And at the rate that things are going, she isn't proving to be so. She's fine one day and not the next.
Well, other than doing the things necessary to keep the environment here livable, and taking care of the pets, and plants, I don't seem to be getting anything else done other than mess with the old vehicles and write about it on the Forums.

The problem is that I've gotten older and can't do as much as I used to, and when I do push it, it takes longer to rest up.

Don't know how much longer I can keep this up, and I don't seem to be getting the necessary results from all the effort.

Like I said in Monday Morning's Update: "I don't know what else to do."

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Have you checked the reluctor pickup and the pickup gap in the distributor? If I remember correctly, you are using a NOS distributor, but I suppose it is possible to have a faulty or incorrectly gapped pickup on a NOS distributor.

I once helped a friend work on an 84 Chrysler 5th Avenue that had a similar sometimes-not-starting issue. He took it to several shops who were stumped and he spent many hours himself trying to figure it out. It turns out that the bushings around the distributor shaft were very worn and were allowing the shaft to wobble so much that it made the reluctor gap too big to send a good signal to the ignition module. The motor would start and run fine as long as someone was pulling the distributor sideways, but as soon as the person let go the car would die.

You must have some unusual intermittent fault. Those are a nightmare to deal with.

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Hey Reed,
No.
Am using a NOS 3874714 Mopar Electronic Distributor from Old Car Parts in Renton, Washington, purchased in July of 2012.
Doubt that the Distributor Shaft Bushings are worn, but I see the point about the Reluctor Gap being too big to send a good signal to the Ignition Control Module.
Can't drive around with someone holding the Distributor sidewise.


Talked with Don Gould at FBO Systems, from whom the VR-1 Electronic Voltage Regulator was acquired, and he mentioned that it is possible that the Mopar Electronic Distributor sometimes has a problem of sending a strong enough "trigger" signal to the NAPA Echlin TP45 ECU.

Am wondering if this could be a problem which ONLY happens when the temperature is below 50 degrees?
Well, this has turned into an emotional roller coaster ride. One day everything is fine. The next day it isn't. Mess with things. Everything starts to work. Then the next day it doesn't. Am on the verge of taking the HEI System out and putting the Points&Condenser System back in.

OR getting one of the FBO Systems ECUs, which Don Gould says is much better than the GM Style ECU. Problem is that the FBO System's ECU is $200.00, and that is not within the budget here.

Am going to wait till it warms up here this afternoon and see if Lorrie will start then.

Will let you know what happens.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor