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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:11 am 
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I have been following along with your idle dilemma. As mentioned previously high idle can be a result of several conditions signally or in concert such as vacuum leak conditions, sticking carburetor parts, air/fuel adjustments, and incorrect timing. It seems as though you have investigated mechanical and vacuum plumbing problems listed above, except timing controls.

Back to square one; checking everything:
As Reed instructed, base or static timing must be set before other adjustments are attempted, but before base timing is set one has to determine if timing mark on vibration damper (pulley hanging off of crank shaft) has not spun out of position from failed rubber innards by using a piston stop to find TDC and making sure mark on pulley lines up with zero on timing tab.


One easily checked condition involving distributor adding additional timing even with weights freely moving is addition of vacuum advance because of vacuum can’s incorrect vacuum source at carburetor. Check to see if its vacuum line is correctly plugged into a tap on carburetor that is located at an elevation above throttle plate that only sees vacuum when throttle plate is open, and none when closed. If its vacuum line is attached to a vacuum tap at base of carburetor, vacuum can is seeing high vacuum as soon as engine lights off activating vacuum advance can which runs up timing 6 to 15 or so degrees depending on unit over base setting.


Next check freedom of movement of centripetal advance mechanism or mechanical advance weights housed within distributor. If these weights won’t fully retract to resting position, that is, back to base timing setting, either from stuck weights or broken retractor springs, engine idle will never settle down because now you have a condition of base timing plus any advance degrees mechanical advance dialed in. To correct problem disassemble distributer clean and lubricate weight’s pivots.


Once you are sure all timing devices and reference marks are in order, move back to carburetor. Remove carburetor, make sure base of carburetor is dead flat with a known straight edge; if cupped use a #10 milbasterd flat file to dress base flat and remove filings.


While carburetor is off engine closely inspect it for throttle plate sticking in bore, and lose throttle shaft. If throttle plate is sticking, post again to us about it before reinstalling carburetor. If carburetor checks out, install it using a new carb to manifold gasket. Don’t over torque carburetor mounting nuts, or base will be cupped again. Check operation of carburetor’s linkages for binding, and correct any found.

with all parts back in place, rough set timing, crank up engine, and go about making adjustments; timing first, idle speed, air/fuel. Once static timing is set, it is a round robin back and forth dance tweaking A/F mix, idle speed. Remember idle speed is also controlled by timing advance, and you may have to revisit base timing setting, as a degree or two change can add or subtract up to several hundred rpm.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:34 am 
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Thanks. I'll do that. Getting a rebuild kit from Napa today for the Carb as well. It was leaking a bit from the float bowl so its a good time to take it all apart and insure everything is clean and working.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:27 am 
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My god getting the old gaskets off were a pain. Carb is rebuilt and back on the car. Still same idle behavior so I've ruled out carb and up at least. Got a whole bevy of early xmas presents from UPS and USPS yesterday.

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New gas cap, timing gun, plugs and Electric choke.


So after the valve seals and a valve lash I'll do the timing and start trying to find the idle issue again starting from square 1 as suggested.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:18 pm 
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Someone mind providing a picture of their timing bracket? Mine is there but has nothing on it, but a hole (which I assume is 0). I did scale back the timing to get it on that plate, which before it was advance way above it.

In doing this I also figured out the vacuum pod on the distributor is dead. I could have swore i checked it, maybe I checked the choke pull off twice. Silly me. That wouldn't affect idle, but I suspect that is the lack of power the previous owner was reporting as low compression.

Also got the electric choke on there, working great.

Should I just replace the vacuum pod with the standard ones on RockAuto or would there be a good upgrade I should order elsewhere? Goal for the car as a cruiser is decent power but good mpg?

EDIT: did some better searching and found that the VC208 seems to be the agreeable good power and mpg pod. can't find one local so I'll have to wait for shipping from Rock Auto.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:38 pm 
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Valve Seals are done. Sweet jesus I don't think they'd ever been done. 1 was in tact, and the second I touched it and try to pull it off it shattered into pieces, was rock hard. The rest were already in pieces and bouncing around in the spring. Thanks again for the seals DusterIdiot.

Also on that note, getting the spring retainer to separate from the Keepers was horrible. Everything else was cake.

Did the plugs, spark plug gaskets as well. After ward took just 2 cranks and started right up, was a little erratic at first but settled down quickly. felt smoother.

My back was killing me from hunching over the springs so I'm leaving the valve lash for tomorrow or maybe even later in the week. *sore*

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:22 pm 
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Did the Valve lash today. Wasn't bad at all. Much better than changing the seals. Then opened up the new gasket I picked up from Napa for the valve cover. Turns out they gave me the wrong gaskets. Gave me ones for the 318. I told the guy on the phone slant six 72 dart... Should have checked before leaving i guess. All well, gonna order it online now and return the gasket to napa tomorrow.

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