Hey Mr JS,
Am glad to hear this. In the best of all worlds, the Timing Chain would be taut, but this is obviously NOT the best of all worlds.
Am not in any position to do anything about it at the present, so Lorrie will just have to live with it.
Which timing-wise she isn't.

Thanks for the reassurance.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey Mr. SS,
Lorrie's Timing Chain was NEW when the Engine was rebuilt twenty-nine years and 25,000 miles ago. Right after Lorrie was gotten up and running in October of 2012, the sediment in the Gas Tank (which I should have cleaned out, but didn't) cause her to have some sticking Valves and bent Push Rods. Am thinking that THAT might have put undue stress on the Timing Chain.
Am always delighted when YOU are so reassuring.
It's not THAT loose.
That can be done quite easily as a BIG Bolt has been installed in the nose of the Crank Shaft and a BIG Socket was acquire, and it is possible to put the BIG Socket on the BIG Bolt Head and turn the Engine with the Breaker Bar.
Am going to do that just as soon as Lorrie is back up and running and probably AFTER the ATF and Motor Oil Flush.
Am going to opt for the latter!
Yes. Dead steady!
There was no erratic Timing.
The NEW Oil Pump is a stock replacement unit. Not a High Volume model.
And the way Lorrie is driven (VERY gently), am positive that she doesn't NEED a high volume Oil Pump. BTW, while researching the Oil Pump, ran across a whole page of Drag Racing Oil Pumps and they said that they were all "Low Volume" Pumps. It seems strange to me that one would use a Low Volume Oil Pump on an Engine that is meant to be "thrashed" as would a Drag Racing Engine.

Anyway Mr. SS, again thanks for the thoughtful post.

The following is today's schedule:

Am going to be cleaning and Painting Lorrie's Oil Pump.

Am going to be installing the NEW Oil Pump.

Am going to be cleaning the Gasket Flange on Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine.

Am going to the cleaning the Engine to Transmission Bracket.

Am going to be running a Tap into the Gasket Flange Threaded Holes to clean them.

NEW Oil Pan Gasket Set is scheduled to be in Wednesday. Will be going to pick it up at the NAPA in Livingston, along with more Valvoline 10W30 Oil.

Will be getting the NEW Hydraulic Hoses for Lorrie's Frantz Oil Cleaning System cut to proper length while at the NAPA.

Will be getting NEW Grade Eight Bolts and Lock Washers with which to attach Lorrie's Oil Pan from the Tractor Supply in Livingston.

Should have Lorrie back up and running at least by the weekend.

Am going to be interested to see what Oil Pressure she puts up.

Will keep you posted.

Thanks for the response.

Hope YOU are well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey Reed,
Would probably replace the Timing Chain if Lorrie were being prepared to run the Daytona 500. But all that she is asked to do is take me out to do errands once a week and go to Livingston once a month.
Better safe than sorry?
Am going to do this. Hopefully Lorrie will be happy with what is being done and start putting up 55 PSI Oil Pressure again.

No one has commented on the 1/64th Inch of forward and backward movement of the Rods. Guess it must not be an issue.

Have a question: Am I correct in assuming that the Cam, Lifters, Distributor Gear and Oil Pump Gear are lubricated by the Oil being splashed around in the Crank Case by the Crank Shaft?

My father had a 50 Chevrolet and its Rod Bearings were lubricated by little Scoops on the Rod Bearing Caps that picked up Oil from the Oil Pan as they spun through it while the Engine was running. Have also read about "knife edge" Counter Weights on a Crank Shaft to reduce the resistance when they turned through the Oil in the Oil Pan. Also, Ms. American has a "windage tray" which is a sheet metal barrier that separates the Crank Shaft from the Oil in the Oil Pan.

Anyway, will be doing a bunch today starting just as soon as it warms up a bit.

Hope this finds YOU doing well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Just my opinion,but I really don't think you need to do any sort of oil flushing procedure,after all,what is it that your trying to clean? Everything looks very good from what you have described. I'd still pull the valve cover NOW, prior to refitting the sump, just in case there are any issues you still have access to the bottom end to look around if necessary,just my way of doing it. All good news so far!

Hey Mr. SS,
Wouldn't a flush clean out the oil passages?
It just seems right to run something through the Engine to clean out whatever is in it.
Alright. That's on the agenda for tomorrow. While the Valve Cover is off, will clean it and give it another coat of Gold Paint. That's what the Oil Pan is going to get. Will be priming it with self-etching Primer and then Painting it Gold.

Anyway, for more information, see the Monday Update which will appear right after this post.

Hang in there.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Monday Update:

There IS one amendment to the description of the Engine's condition that MUST be made. Went out this morning and started cleaning Lorrie's Oil Pan. Was armed with a 1" wide Putty Knife with which to scrape the road grime off of the outside of the Pan, and to scrape the sediment out of in the bottom of the Pan.

As it turns out, the 1/16th inch of oily soot was sitting on top of a 1/8" PLATE of solid material which when the Putty Knife was inserted under the edge lifted and then broke.

THAT's where the dirty oil has been coming from.

The stuff in the bottom of the pan was slowly being taken into suspension and filtered out by the Frantz Oil Cleaner System.

Whatever it is that settles out of Oil in sixteen years is what this stuff is. Someone mentioned "carbon" separating from the oil and settling out. Don't think that it would hurt anything, but it might. Personally don't know.

Got the NEW Oil Pump installed. It went in easily. Greased the Gear with Bearing Grease.

Cleaned and stripped Lorrie's Oil Pan. There are some places where the Wire Brush Wheels in the Craftsman 1/4" Drill couldn't reach, but it is as good as it's going to get.

After standing working on the Oil Pan for four hours, took a break and laid under Lorrie for a couple of hours to install the Oil Pump and clean the Gasket Flange on Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six. Scraped all the hardened Gasket Material off with a single edge Razor Blade in a holder. Then washed the entire Gasket Flange with Lacquer Thinner. It came out SUPER. Perfectly clean.

Will be pulling the Valve Cover and taking a look at what is going on with the Valve Train. Will be doing what can be done tomorrow, and then Wednesday will be going to Livingston to the NAPA to pick up the NEW Oil Pan Gasket Set. Will have the NEW Hydraulic Hoses cut to proper length. Will be getting three more quarts of Valvoline 10W30. Will stop by the Tractor Supply and get all new Bolts with which to attach Lorrie's Oil Pan. Will get a NEW Tap the same size as the Bolts and chase it through the Threaded Holes in Lorrie's Gasket Flange to clean them up..

Anyway, all in all it was a REALLY productive day.

Will update what is done tomorrow tomorrow.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Yes, me jokingly......kidding about the old turning back into to crude....and dirt!

Sounds like good progress. As this point why not check everything by pulling the valve cover too! Then will know.....

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74 Swinger, 9.5 comp 254/.435 lift cam, 904, ram air, electric fans, 2.5" HP2 & FM70 ex, 1920 Holley#56jet, 2.76 8 3/4 Sure-Grip, 26" tires, 25+MPG

Hey Mr. AT,
The 1/8" thick plate of good old whatever it was was slowly being softened, taken into suspension, picked up, circulated through the system, eventually being caught in the Frantz Oil Cleaner Element. And that is why the Oil was looking so black. It wasn't sludge. It was, hopefully, pure carbon. Carbon is soft and hopefully wouldn't hurt the Bearings.
It is a long and tedious process that is going on here. Am a bit tired. Am a bit sore. But this is doing my health good as it is getting me up and moving.
Promised SlantSteve that THAT would get done today.
Will find out if any of the "stuff" that was in the Oil Pan got deposited in and around the Valve Train. Will put the Valve Cover back on but not button it down and then when Lorrie is re-started will be able to see if she is getting lubrication to the Rockers, AND will do a Valve Adjustment.

Don't know of anything more that can be done.

Hopefully this will render her reliable again. That would be a joy beyond words.

Will keep you posted.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Finished cleaning and stripping Lorrie's Oil Pan. Wiped it all down with Lacquer Thinner and gave it two coats of self-etching Primer. Will paint it and the Valve Cover Gold tomorrow.

Have the Engine to Transmission Bracket left to clean, strip and prime.

Removed Lorrie's Valve cover. Everything is perfectly clean and as you know, the Valves are canted slightly. There is a little crescent of Oil on the low side of each Valve Spring's Top Washer. Oil is obviously getting to the Valve Train.

Am hoping that my welder neighbor is going to be in his shop tomorrow so that I can borrow his truck to run errands.

Am going to get the NEW Hydraulic Hoses shortened to proper length at NAPA.
Am going to pick up NEW Oil Pan Gasket Set at NAPA.
Am going to get three quarts of 10W30 Valvoline at NAPA.
Am going to get a tube of Permatex 82180 Ultra Black Maximum Oil Resistant Gasket Maker at NAPA.
Am going to get eleven NEW Bolts to replace those that were taken out that are not in very good shape at Tractor Supply.
Am going to get the proper size Tap to clean out the Threaded Holes in Lorrie's Oil Pan Gasket Flange at Tractor Supply or Sayco Hardware.

If everything goes as planned, Lorrie should be back up and running by Monday at the latest, and maybe even Friday at the earliest.

Much depends on whether my neighbor's pick-up truck is available.

Much depends on whether or not the Fel-Pro Oil Pan Gasket Set arrives at the NAPA today or tomorrow.

And much also depends on how well the re-installation goes.

To flush or not to flush. That is the question.

Is it better to put three quarts of ATF and three quarts of Motor Oil into the Engine and run it for fifteen minutes, then change the Filter Element and put in six quarts of 10W30 Valvoline Motor Oil?

Or just go ahead and put in the NEW 10W30 with a Clean Filter Element and let it go at that?

What would JC do?

Anyway, it is a GORGEOUS day here. Too nice to be in, so am going to go out, clean, strip and prime the Engine TO Transmission Bracket.

Will paint it Gold tomorrow if there's enough Gold Paint left after painting the Oil Pan and Valve Cover. Or will paint it Blue if there isn't enough Gold Paint left after painting the Oil Pan and Valve Cover.

Hope this find you all doing well and taking excellent care. More updates as progress occurs.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Finished cleaning, stripping and priming Lorrie's Engine to Transmission Bracket. It is drying as this is being typed.

Got in touch with my neighbor and his truck is available tomorrow morning. Have to have it back by noon.

Called NAPA and the Oil Pan Gasket Set is not yet in. They will call when it arrives. One of the Counter Guys at NAPA lives near by and if the Gasket Set isn't in tomorrow morning when I'm there, he will be able to deliver it to me tomorrow evening, that is if it gets in tomorrow at all.

So everything seems to be going alright except everything depends on other people. It's like pulling teeth, or swimming in cold honey.

Will keep you updated.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Wednesday Early Morning Update:

The Counter Guy from NAPA dropped by last evening and picked up the NEW Frantz Oil Cleaner System Hydraulic Hoses, and will have them shortened to proper length for me to pick up later today.

Hopefully the Oil Pan Gasket Set will be in. But if it isn't the NAPA Counter Guy said that he will be working Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and when it comes in he will bring it to me after he gets of work. So that will save a trip to Livingston.

The Welding Guy will be in at 9:00 a.m. and I can borrow his pick-up truck to go run errands.

It's supposed to rain here tomorrow and then get down to 25 degrees tomorrow night and won't warm up till Sunday. BUT, will have everything arranged so that Lorrie won't be needed to be up and running for another week or so.

The Welder Guy has to have the borrowed truck back by noon.

Will be painting Lorrie's Oil Pan, Valve Cover, and Engine to Transmission Bracket later today.

Will also try to get the Frantz Oil Cleaner System reinstalled this afternoon.

Hopefully there will be no glitches in the schedule, as everything seems to be coming together quite nicely, except for the weather.

More updates as progress happens.

Everyone take care.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Thursday Early Morning Update:

The counter guy from NAPA delivered Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six's Oil Pan Gasket Set last evening about 6:00 p.m. Took it a week to get here from New Orleans.

Am going to be installing it on Lorrie's Oil Pan, which has been cleaned, stripped, and painted Gold and looks GREAT.

Aggressive Ted recommended Permatex Ultra-Black Gasket Maker, which was acquired and is going to be used to adhere the Gasket to the Oil Pan and then applied between the Oil Pan Gasket Flange and the top of the Gasket. There is a small sheet of instructions on how to adhere the Gaskets to the Oil Pan, but they are cursory and vague at best.

QUESTION: Is there anything I need to be aware of in doing this? Any comments would be welcome as this the first time for doing this particular operation.

Have acquired all NEW Oil Pan Flange Bolts and a Tap with which to clean the Threaded Holes in the Oil Pan Gasket Flange. Am going to be doing that just as soon as it warms up a bit out there, if in fact it is going to warm up out there. It's forty-four degrees out there right now.

It is supposed to rain (30% chance) here later today, so that may not get done today because I'll be damned if I'm going to work under Lorrie in the rain.

Got the Valve Cover repainted yesterday. It will be reinstalled in due time.

Got the Frantz Oil Cleaner Canister Bracket installed yesterday.

Got the hole that was cut in the Floorboard through which the NEW Hydraulic Hoses go to the Oil Pump and Oil Pan dressed down so that there are no sharp edges to cut the Hoses.

Everything necessary to do the entire reinstall is here. Now if the weather will just cooperate. Alas, the forecast is for RAIN today and SNOW tomorrow!

I tell you, doing this is like swimming in cold honey. It is just one impediment after another. Still, am powering through. The forces of chaos are in grudging retreat as progress is being made, albeit it slowly and with great difficulty.

Hope this finds YOU all doing well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

http://www.slantsix.org/articles/gasket ... n-seal.htm

The articles section is full of gems like this.

It took a long time to search through all those words to find out what the pertinent information was that you needed.

CJ

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Hey Mr. CJ,
The last couple of paragraphs were relevant though the description was for assembly with the Engine upside down. So instead of attaching the Oil Pan Rail Gaskets to the Block, am going to adhere them to the Oil Pan along with the Front and Rear Rubber Gaskets.
Your effort is very much appreciated. I was unaware of the "Articles Section". Will have to find out where it is and check it out.

Anyway, it in the high 30s outside with a North wind blowing. Colder than a witch's titty, but ventured forth nonetheless and got all but two of the Threaded Holes in the Oil Pan Gasket Flange cleaned out with a Tap. Two couldn't be done. One had the Oil Pump Pick Up Tube in the way of the Tap Holder, and the other had the Exhaust Pipe in the way. On those two, a NEW Bolt was threaded into them and they are nice and clean. There should be no problem putting the Bolts in properly.

Am probably done out there for the day because one of Texas' infamous "Blue Northers" is coming through. supposed to go down to 27 degrees here tonight. Can't do much because numb fingers just won't work properly.

So am going to content myself with installing the Oil Pan Gaskets so that they Lorrie's Oil Pan will be ready to install when it's once again warm enough to be out there.

Again, thanks for the effort on the Article Link and for making me aware of THAT feature of this VERY nice Forum.

Hope you are staying warm.

Take excellent care.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Scroll back to the top of the page and click the "Home" button.(top left) or at the bottom of this page. Big red writing:
" Go To Slant Six Forum Home'
Articles are in there.

regards,Rod