Hey Mr. E,
Will wonders never cease!

You see, this (using H2O through the carburetor) is EXACTLY that to which I was referring as "unconventional".

Have just read the thread per your reference, and was totally surprised at the responses to the suggestion of such a practice, and I must say that the disparity of attitudes with regards to the various "unconventional" practices has left me reeling in amazement.

Permit an explanation.

Pouring water into a normally aspirated engine is NOT a conventional practice. Neither is using a roll of toilet tissue to filter out particulates and moisture from motor oil.

It occurred to me that given the reaction to the latter, I was expecting the reaction to the former as being consumate.

But considering the disparity of attitudes toward these two above mentioned unconventional practices, unconventionality may as well be enlarged on with what might be considered fool-hardy intrepidity, which I was concerned about with my reticence to elucidate. But what the hell, let's just let the chips fall where they may.

So here goes. Setting the filtration of oil through toilet tissue aside, let's concentrate on introducing substances other than hydrocarbon based fuel into a revved up engine. Water has been specifically mentioned, but it alone is not as efficacious as a carefully prepared admixture of H2O, Acetone, Alcohol, and Toluene, followed by a bit of Sea Foam in a specially applied manner, as H2O alone.

H2O and Alcohol have a kind of steam-cleaning effect, but it appears that the Acetone and Toluene serve to condition the Combustion Chamber, Valves, Piston Crowns, and Piston Rings to prevent further Carbon build- up.

The following procedure for SeaFoam is the second step in this treatment: The first half a can of SeaFoam is poured into the Engine being careful not to kill it. Then once the Engine is cleared of SeaFoam, the second half of the can is poured in fast enough to kill the Engine. The Engine is then permitted to sit overnight, to let the SeaFoam soak in the Cylinders.

Starting the Engine the next morning may take a bit of priming with either gasoline or ether.

Once that is done, the Combustion Chambers should be clean, and can even be given some Marvel Mystery Oil to soothe the Upper Cylinders.

With all that said, am steeling myself for some of the same old vitriol previously experience with the shocking revelation that was made some time ago that both Lorrie Van Haul, and Ms. American 3.14159 have the Frantz Oil System which uses rolls of toilet tissue to filter their oil.

For those who are possibly appalled by all this, best shots are welcomed.

Anyway, will let keep the results updated as event occur.

Take care everyone.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey all,
Well, this morning had to go get a gallon of milk. Upon returning, it was decided that something drastic had to be done with Lorrie's infernal farting problem. After the posts about water in the engine, I decided that I would resort to somethng that I had seen m father do a number of times when I was younger.

Already had 2/3rds of a can of SeaFoam on hand, so I proceeded to prepared sixteen ounces of water and three ounces of Acetone in a pourable container. Would have added some Toluene, but didn't have any on hand.

Started Lorrie and went for a what for me was a quite abusive drive to the Sewer Office Parking Lot (about four miles north), then to the Valeros (about six miles south), then back to the Sewer Office, then back to the Valero's then back to the Sewer Office and then home, all in second gear, sometimes up to 50 MPH at full throttle.

Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six seemed to enjoy roaring along at over 4,000 RPM. Had some backfiring to begin with, but it seemed to diminish as the drive progressed.

Got home, put Lorrie in Park, and proceeded to pour the Water/Acetone mixture into the Bendix Stromberg Carburetor, being careful not to kill the Engine. When that was done, cleared out the Engine, and let it idle.

Then poured in the SeaFoam with the Engine revved up, and finally poured in enough of the SeaFoam fast enough to kill the Engine even though it was revved up.

Am going to let it sit overnight.

Will start Lorrie tomorrow morning (if she will). May have to use some quick start as an added inducement.

Will then take her for a test drive to see if there is any more backfiring. Lorrie seemed to enjoy being driven a little more aggressively. Some girls are like that!

Will just have to wait and see.
What will be will be.
Time will tell.
Be well,
JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

I must say your retort was once again a refreshing refrain from dry technical blather all so important to set the tone, and pose the problem for all to ingest here on the slant.

All I can add is; H2o misted into carburetor via squirt/spray bottle will dislodge carbon to beat the band, as will costly and smartly marketed old family recipes once brewed up to keep ones Johnson, or is that too Evinrude for this forum, trouble free while fishing.

As a young lad my old 273 V8 Dart often received a good Italian high revving tune-up to fight back ever encroaching carbon deposits attracted to old worn out engine. Administering RPM’s being a lot more fun than leaning over a fender while dumping some magic fluid down a carburetor’s gullet fogging the neighborhood excepting during mosquito season in Maine, at which time aspirating pre-packaged potion provided double the medicinal benefit to engine & reduced man-eating pestilence.

And, as for TP oil filter jazz, it doesn’t matter a hoot to me what one uses in the privacy of their garage only to say this about that… “Thatâ€￾ stuff is designed to remove feces from things; my only burning question on the topic is; should one go with squeezable soft quilted or the other end of the scale, great Scott, do I dare say it, arithmetic paper grade to cleanse ones engine under-side? Well maybe a second burning question has surfaced of choice facing today’s TP filter fancier could be complicating the situation; would it be is best to use with cardboard tube, or go with tubeless rolls?

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67' Dart GT Convertible; the old Chrysler Corp.
82' LeBaron Convertible; the new Chrysler Corp
07' 300 C AWD; Now by Fiat, the old new Chrysler LLC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

A man has to know his machine’s limits.



I’m saddened that one market for tissue has been lost to resizing where my wife has been in the paper and tissue making biz for 25 years… Pardon while I wipe a tear with a facial quality tissue not to be confused with "any & all cheek tissue". I don’t suppose any of that European metric tissue would fit.

Like PC home printers, the money ain’t in the device, but the consumable that it uses. Smart move for Franz to supply their in own house filter medium which in turn fattens their bottom line, and shareholder’s returns. I have a hunch big tissue never saw a precipitous dip in sales after the Franz oil cleaner redesign so above blubbering is a moot point.


Speaking of 64 Galaxie 500, I wanted my father to buy a red one of those in XL form, but instead he brought home a leftover fordor 63 Falcon, radio delete, rubber mats, dinky six, three on the tree and optional front seatbelts. What a shocking letdown in my pubescent adolescent car-guy world that was.

Keep on Truck’en

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67' Dart GT Convertible; the old Chrysler Corp.
82' LeBaron Convertible; the new Chrysler Corp
07' 300 C AWD; Now by Fiat, the old new Chrysler LLC

Hey Bill,
And consider its age.
Am not sure that the market has been lost. It is more likely that the same people who formerly made the toilet tissue used in the Frantz Oil Cleaner System Filter Elements are still making it, but with the FOCS having become a "middle-man".
There, there.
Am not sure that European metric tissue would work with non-metric oil or machinery.
Still, a FOCS Filter Element costs less than a FRAM Filter, but provides 10,000 times the filtration power. So all things considered, they are cheap at twice the price.
I know that neither FOCS nor "big tissue" are making anything off of Lorrie or Ms. American, as my father left us a couple of cartons of Safeway Truely Fine brand tissue, and in almost forty years, am only about 70% through the first carton.
I know what you mean. My father and I one time went to a Ford dealership in Pomona, California and there on their showroom floor was one of the original Shelby Cobras, which could have been had for less than $3,000.00. My father, being somewhat adventerous, had the cash in hand with which to obtain said Cobra, but instead of acting on his adventerous impulse, opted to ask my mother's opinion. She unfortunately immediately vetoed the his adventerousl impulse.

Still, he was at the Fontana, California Ford dealership when a 1964 Ford Galaxie 500, Four-Door, Hard-Top, Fast-Back, Police Interceptor was delivered, and meant for the Chief of Police of Fontana. It was subsequently denied him by the Mayor and City Council due to it being a "luxury" body style, and they didn't want him cruising around in luxury.

It turned out that it was a mistake. It should have been a "Mayberry Special" (a Four-Door Sedan), but instead, mistakenly had a Four-Door, Hard-Top body mated with a PI chassis.

My father purchased it for $2,671.00 cash.

It (the previously mentioned Ms. American 3.14159) is presently here on the driveway, sitting up on Jack Stands awaiting a Front Suspension rebuild, and happens to be the only 1964 Ford Galaxie 500, Four-Door, Hard-Top, Fast-Back, Police Interceptor that Google finds on the whole World Wide Web.

Anyway, it is time to go feed the octet of felines, and then wait for sunrise, at which time an attempt will be made to enliven Lorrie Van Haul from her night of having her combustion chambers soaked in SeaFoam.

Will report the results of that attempt later this morning.

Hope you are well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Good man sticking with home grown Lone Star black gold, and not using that metric stuff pumped up out of a sandy hole in the middle east.

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67' Dart GT Convertible; the old Chrysler Corp.
82' LeBaron Convertible; the new Chrysler Corp
07' 300 C AWD; Now by Fiat, the old new Chrysler LLC

Hey All,
Monday morning update:

Went out at 7:00 a.m. Turned on Lorrie's Run Switch. Gave the Accleration Pedal a single pump to set the Choke, and to give the Intake Manifold a shot of gasoline. Activated Lorrie's Start Switch, and she immediately started.

There followed GREAT billows of white smoke resembling cumulus clouds emanating out of her Tail Pipe. And these emanations continued to billow unabated and unlessend for about twenty minutes! It would increase whenever the Engine was revved.

After about twenty minutes, it gradually began to lessen, and within another ten minutes, there were just the barest of wisps of white smoke.

By this time, Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six was at operating temperature and purring like a kitten. Absolutely no vibration. Turbine smooth.

The next thing on the agenda was a test drive. Pulled out onto the road going to the hiway, and there was no backfiring. Pulled onto the hiway and began to drive normally. Could hear no backfiring. Drove about two miles, turned around, came back home, and parked Lorrie with the Engine idling.

Got out and put my hand in front of the Tail Pipe and the exhaust was smooth and clear.

Lorrie seems to be happy as a clam.

Am going to be getting out a bit later, and we'll see if she does what she has been doing for the past week, and that is not backfiring until being driven the second time of the day.

BTW, last evening, the OTHER set of NEW NGK ZFR5N Spark Plugs was found ensconsed in a box labeled NGK Spark Plugs, but the box had been turned around where the label was not seeable.

Anyway, as of this moment, Lorrie seems to be fine and operating as advertised.

Will update if and when events occur.

Take care,

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey Bill,
It never occurred to me to wonder from whence came the hydrocarbons that are in Lorrie and Ms. American. Am using Valvoline Racing Oil in Ms. American and Valvoline 10W30 in Lorrie.

Anyway, as noted in the above update, Lorrie seems to be fine so far. Will be getting out a bit later and we'll see if she continues to do well.

Am planning on starting Ms. American for her once monthly engine start-up, accompanied by running her Borg Warner T85 w/ Overdrive Transmission through the gears thrice.

Then have on the agenda, doing a vacuum check of Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six.

Will let you know how it goes.

Take care,

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Just did a Vacuum Test with Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six Engine running.

It was rock steady at 20 inches at idle. Dropped to around 12 inches when throttle was opened, but immediately climbed back. Jumped to over 25 inches when throttle was closed after revving. All that is pretty normal.

Did not attempt a Cranking Vacuum Test because am going to Livingston tomorrow and am confident that Lorrie will make that journey just fine, but didn't want to chance being out of adjustment after doing a Cranking Vacuum Test, where one has to back off or tighten all the Carburetor Screws.

Started Lorrie up at 11:15 a.m. and drove her to the Post Office. She did much better, BUT there WAS still an occasional "poot" mostly right after starting to accelerate at a partial throttle, or just at the end of a decelleration.

There were hardly any "poots" while just cruising at a constant speed. She isn't "poot" free, but she's MUCH better than she was when she was "pooting" at her worst.

Will probably try the Cranking Vacuum test once back from Livingston tomorrow.

Anyway, is there anything else that could be causing this annoyance?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor

Hey All,
Lorrie and I have just returned from our almost every month jaunt to Livingston.

Lorrie has never run better.

Everything that was done in pursuit of the "poot.. poot.... poot poot" seems to have rendered her fit beyond what she has ever been, and the good news is that she only backfired a couple of times, and that was when we were making the left turn from the Farm to Market road onto the Hiway 190.

And there is a reason why she isn't backfiring any more, because the cause of it was found quite by accident.

Remember, it was related that the backfiring only happened when we were starting to accelerate, or when we were almost through decelerating? Well, we had just pulled onto Hiway 190 going east when I noticed that there was a poor, little, old moth fluttering its life away in the Roof Vent over the Driver's Seat.

I decided to open the Roof Vent to let the poor, little, old thing out, and it was then that it was found that the Roof Vent was not completely locked down. This made it able to, like an airfoil, rise up about 3/8th of an inch, and when that happened, it changed the pressure inside Lorrie, and it would suck back down against the sealing gasket, making a distinct "poot" sound, somwhat like a lightly struck bass drum. And being quite low in frequency, it was not very directional. It would do this three or four times till we were going fast enough for it not to do it.

Then when we would slow down, Lorrie would reach a speed where the Roof Vent would once again open and close making the distinctive "poot" sound.

So after opening the Roof Vent to let the moth out, the Vent was securely locked down, and the backfiring sound went completely away.

It's things like this that make me wonder!

Anyway, thanks to all for the helpful responses. All of the effort was not a total loss for Lorrie is, as mentioned previously, running the best she has run since she came to live with me in 1975.

Hope this finds you all doing well.

JC

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Lorrie Van Haul - 1967 Dodge - P200 Post Office Vehicle - 225 Slant Six - Torqueflite A727 Automatic Transmission - Right Hand Drive Steering - Big Three HEI System - Frantz Oil Cleaner System - Bendix Stromberg Model W Carburetor