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$1k for rims? Are you nuts? Last set of rims I bought cost me no more than $120.
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Reality is, the Offy and Clifford intakes are still very hard to beat too. Look at how many hammerswingers have come on here and told us they were going to set the world on fire with their latest, greatest designs, and when really tested on a car, they were worse or at best equal to what Offy and Clifford did back then.
Offy, yes. Weiand, yes. There was no such thing as Clifford "back then".
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The only way we will ever get a semi massed produced alloy head is if some reasonably wealthy individual comes along and does one out of the goodness of his heart.
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I spoke with Howard Davis about the possibility of him doing more or selling a copy of his program to anyone else. That was not warmly received. :lol:
Who's Howard, doing more of what, and which program?

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Howard built himself a one off billet aluminum head. There is a thread on here about it somewhere.

I would like to have heard more details about it. But maybe in the future.

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Ohhhhh, right. I remember that.

Oh, well, that's just one name off the list. The rest of us are willing to pay up to $200 for a fully assembled bolt-on aluminum crossflow full-race street head that works with any bore from 3.40" to 3.65", accepts stock manifolds or Jeep 4.0 manifolds for E-Z fuel injection, and accepts stock rockers or dual overhead camshafts.

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.........and some like me are still too cheap to pay $200 because slant parts are essentially free.

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409's got heads because there is a market for them and originals are worth too much to collectors to chop up for race heads.

AMC got heads because there are 11ty billion of them running around in Jeeps.

Except to a very small number of us Slants are neither race motors nor collectable.

You want an alloy head? Get in touch with CNC Dude and offer to help him out. It's just that simple.
All of the above is true and correct.
Saying something is true doesn't make it so.

Strange how this "market" for Alum 409 heads had to wait 50?years for the demand to be met or just possibility maybe it happened the other way around?
And the 409 suffers from many of the limitations our beloved Slant does, except there is an abundance of much better, more powerful, much cheaper brand specific similar format engine alternatives. Have no idea what 409 "race" heads that are so collectible as not want them "chopped" up.

I think I was one who also mentioned "AMC" heads, there are not "11ty billion" of them, and I don't think they are in jeeps. As a matter of fact, the available alum AMC heads don't seem to widely accepted, but I maybe wrong.

http://www.indyheads.com/images/16.cat2014.pdf availble for over 4? years/

As much as I thought these heads made no sense commercially. they were made.

I don't understand the comment of "small number of slants"? Really?
A lack of affordable aftermarket parts also impacts collectability. We can argue the chicken or the egg all day long.

And I understand the jaded, defeatist, been there done that, it will never happen, tired of typing again, and again, etc, I think I, and the spectators here get that position. Own it proudly if you must, but belittling and undermining the efforts or ideas of others repeatedly, serves no one. Besides times change, people have been surprised before, and positive thinking harms no one.

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Saying something is true doesn't make it so.
That's true. :lol:

Srsly: what makes something true is it being true. Which is worth keeping in mind before making comments that don't connect real well with reality.
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I don't understand the comment of "small number of slants"? Really?
Really. Statistically, slant-6 engines and the cars they were put in no longer exist. Take a moment to think about the implications of that fact. Think about what it means in terms of the number of people interested (smaller), willing (even smaller), and able (yet smaller) to buy a new aluminum cylinder head. The numbers just aren't there. You can stand there insisting "YES THEY ARE TOO!" until the cows come home, but it won't change reality. And the clock keeps on ticking—today there are fewer slant-6 engines in the world than there were yesterday, and tomorrow there will be even fewer.
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And I understand the jaded, defeatist, been there done that, it will never happen, tired of typing again, and again, etc
No, mister eleven-whole-entire-posts-on-here, you don't. I'm sure you think you understand what you think you know of what you think has been said here, but you don't.
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belittling and undermining the efforts or ideas of others
When you speak like this without knowing what you're talking about, you make yourself look ignorant and silly. Fact is, nobody's ever belittled or undermined an effort on here. Quite the opposite. There have been a few genuine efforts towards an aluminum head, and every single one of them has been cheered on and encouraged and facilitated in every way possible, until the hard realities of cost, price, and demand have scuttled it.

What gets belittled is childish insistence that if we just wish hard enough, we'll get an exemption from the laws of supply and demand and an up-to-date, high-feature aluminum head will descend from heaven.
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people have been surprised before, and positive thinking harms no one.
There's positive thinking, then there's what you're doing. Know what really harms nobody? Realistic thinking.
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Motivating Edelbrock is the key.
Sure. Go write a (good) five-figure check to Edelbrock, and then they'll be motivated to get right on that project. Money talks, and bulk wrap walks.

Not gonna write that check? Then quit scolding us from ignorance. You simply and flatly do not know what (and whom) you're talking about.

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.........and some like me are still too cheap to pay $200 because slant parts are essentially free.
HEY, SHADDUP, YA HOSER!!!! THE MAGIC ALUMINUM CYLINDER HEAD WILL ONLY MATERIALISE IF WE ALL HOLD HANDS AND BELIEVE AND SING KUM-BA-YAH!

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"Aluminum slant six head" seems to be the most provocative four words in the English language.

I would buy one or two if they were to be made. I would also like to power my house with fusion power and explore Mars...

I encourage optimism, but I've been following posts on the Forum long enough to be skeptical every time this gets brought up.

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What's wrong with getting the original head milled down to increase performance? Seems that would be the easiest route!

Was reading this old article:

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/mop ... ix-engine/


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We're allllllmost there, folks! From this point in the discussion we can see all the way to "If I turn the lid of my air cleaner upside-down, will that increase performance?".

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Milling the head can facilitate increased performance.

It is a cost effective way to get alloy head performance for rattle can price.

When it comes back from the shop follow Ricks advice and sprayer' Mexican Chrome.

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I thought my Head was Aluminum? Maybe that's just my hat! :lol:

Really. You are all Fools if you don't buy one of these!

http://www.tornadoair.com/

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For all you go-getters that really want an aluminum head, just call Indy Cylinder Head and tell Russ you have $60K burning a hole in your pocket. Then you can have your aluminum head. Prove that you're not just another hammerswinger talking out your exhaust port.

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Saying something is true doesn't make it so.
That's true. :lol:

Srsly: what makes something true is it being true. Which is worth keeping in mind before making comments that don't connect real well with reality.
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I don't understand the comment of "small number of slants"? Really?
Really. Statistically, slant-6 engines and the cars they were put in no longer exist. Take a moment to think about the implications of that fact. Think about what it means in terms of the number of people interested (smaller), willing (even smaller), and able (yet smaller) to buy a new aluminum cylinder head. The numbers just aren't there. You can stand there insisting "YES THEY ARE TOO!" until the cows come home, but it won't change reality. And the clock keeps on ticking—today there are fewer slant-6 engines in the world than there were yesterday, and tomorrow there will be even fewer.
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And I understand the jaded, defeatist, been there done that, it will never happen, tired of typing again, and again, etc
No, mister eleven-whole-entire-posts-on-here, you don't. I'm sure you think you understand what you think you know of what you think has been said here, but you don't.
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belittling and undermining the efforts or ideas of others
When you speak like this without knowing what you're talking about, you make yourself look ignorant and silly. Fact is, nobody's ever belittled or undermined an effort on here. Quite the opposite. There have been a few genuine efforts towards an aluminum head, and every single one of them has been cheered on and encouraged and facilitated in every way possible, until the hard realities of cost, price, and demand have scuttled it.

What gets belittled is childish insistence that if we just wish hard enough, we'll get an exemption from the laws of supply and demand and an up-to-date, high-feature aluminum head will descend from heaven.
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people have been surprised before, and positive thinking harms no one.
There's positive thinking, then there's what you're doing. Know what really harms nobody? Realistic thinking.
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Motivating Edelbrock is the key.
Sure. Go write a (good) five-figure check to Edelbrock, and then they'll be motivated to get right on that project. Money talks, and bulk wrap walks.

Not gonna write that check? Then quit scolding us from ignorance. You simply and flatly do not know what (and whom) you're talking about.
I well add one thing, I've been on the internet long enough to know that when someone starts using post counts to strengthen their position, and going personal, they are grasping at straws.

What time does Edelbrock open?


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