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 Post subject: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 10:45 am 
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Ok, I have never see this, maybe you have.


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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 12:03 pm 
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that top one is new on me. don't think i have ever seen those flat tabs on mopar caps.


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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 12:38 pm 
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Top cap is a 2444 690. That was the improved version of the first wide-contact distributor cap, a black one named 2098 765. The tan material, introduced in the '64-'65 timeframe, has higher dielectric strength (greater flashover resistance) than the previous black material. The wide-contact cap was used with rotor 2098 770, which had a necked-down, narrower end contact. These parts were first used as part of a service package 2448 273 (which also included a new coil-to-cap wire) to address cold/wet starting issues. Those three parts were incorporated into new-car production. Read all about it:
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These wide-contact caps and narrow-long-contact rotors were cancelled for '66, and the Slant-6 reverted to the regular narrow-contact cap and the same 1838 516 shorter/wider-contact rotor used prior. The bottom cap is a 2642 986, which was the '66 cap (the pre-wide-contact cap was a black one, 1889 424).

I like the wide-contact/narrow-rotor setup, but I've never seen such a cap with contacts made of anything but aluminum. The benefits can be duplicated by benchtop cleverness with rotors as described in this long (but worthwhile) thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 6:38 pm 
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Ok, I have never see this, maybe you have.
I am running that cap on my car right now :D

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 8:09 am 
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Rick, do you see timing scatter?
That was the first thing I thought about.
But maybe it jumps from the rotor point to the width of the plug connection all at one time.
Do you have the wide rotor button?

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 8:10 am 
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Top cap is a 2444 690. That was the improved version of the first wide-contact distributor cap, a black one named 2098 765. The tan material, introduced in the '64-'65 timeframe, has higher dielectric strength (greater flashover resistance) than the previous black material. The wide-contact cap was used with rotor 2098 770, which had a necked-down, narrower end contact. These parts were first used as part of a service package 2448 273 (which also included a new coil-to-cap wire) to address cold/wet starting issues. Those three parts were incorporated into new-car production. Read all about it:

2448273.jpg

These wide-contact caps and narrow-long-contact rotors were cancelled for '66, and the Slant-6 reverted to the regular narrow-contact cap and the same 1838 516 shorter/wider-contact rotor used prior. The bottom cap is a 2642 986, which was the '66 cap (the pre-wide-contact cap was a black one, 1889 424).

I like the wide-contact/narrow-rotor setup, but I've never seen such a cap with contacts made of anything but aluminum. The benefits can be duplicated by benchtop cleverness with rotors as described in this long (but worthwhile) thread.
Thanks Dan, new to me

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 1:48 pm 
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I probably wouldn't know scatter if I had it! :D I use this cap and the long tip Echlin rotor. Engine has turned as much as 6700+ rpm with silky smooth operation. No problems. I picked up 3 of the caps some years ago for about $10 each. If nothing else, I figured they were old and well centered caps.

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 10:20 pm 
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Rick, do you see timing scatter?
That was the first thing I thought about
Why? The wider contacts were to make less of an air gap between the rotor and cap, across a wider range of distributor advance ---> ---> ---> less likelihood of spark going to wrong place.

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 11:26 pm 
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The benefits can be duplicated by benchtop cleverness with rotors as described in this long (but worthwhile) thread.
I remember reading that thread when it was new. Unfortunately, the photo of the jig is lost to the bowels of Photobucket.

Rereading that thread makes me want to investigate distributorless ignition. I do not believe the quality of replacement wear parts for the slant six has gone up in the last 10 years. I am still working through the pile of tune-up parts I collected over 15 years ago, but that will run out eventually.

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2025 4:51 am 
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Rick, do you see timing scatter?
Remember, the exact instant of spark is determined by the instant of points opening (and coil magnetic field collapse), not by the distributor rotor and cap.

The points determine timing. The rotor and cap just point the spark energy in the correct general direction.

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2025 7:32 am 
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Rick, do you see timing scatter?
Remember, the exact instant of spark is determined by the instant of points opening (and coil magnetic field collapse), not by the distributor rotor and cap.

The points determine timing. The rotor and cap just point the spark energy in the correct general direction.

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Good point, I was trying to visualize the spark jumping and what it would look like.

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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
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And back in the day, ACCEL would sells those tan caps as special high performance parts at 3 times the cost of the regular heavy duty part that they actually were. Just one of the reasons that I have been soured by the performance after market over the years.


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 Post subject: Re: Tan Distributor Caps
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2025 8:31 pm 
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And back in the day, ACCEL would sells those tan caps as special high performance parts at 3 times the cost of the regular heavy duty part that they actually were.
Those Accel-boxed caps were Echlin MO-40s. I recall there being very little difference in price between buying it in an Echlin box at NAPA versus an Accel box somewhere else. But that was 30 years ago, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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