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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:14 pm 
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180° from at least as far back as '57 clear on up until emissions regulations created the need to run the engines hotter to cut down even further on quenchout; 190° stats began appearing in the very late '60s-early '70s, and 195° units in the mid '70s. That's really where this whole debate should probably be, is between 180° and 195°.....

Which reminds me that you need to be careful when looking up parts in cross-reference books for the slant-6 because it was used such a long time...............

When I went to get a thermostat, the handy-dandy book at the auto parts store listed the 195 as the standard thermostat for every year of slant-6....

Luckily I had a Factory Manual and knew it was a 180 for my year......

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you need to be careful when looking up parts in cross-reference books for the slant-6 because it was used such a long time.
When I went to get a thermostat, the handy-dandy book at the auto parts store listed the 195 as the standard thermostat for every year of slant-6. Luckily I had a Factory Manual and knew it was a 180 for my year.
Yep, very important point—the aftermarket generally doesn't know and generally doesn't care. This is a result of the takeover of virtually all companies by MBAs who consider it beneath their station in life to know anything about the goods/services their company sells. They just call it all "product", and to them it doesn't matter whether it's carrots or carburetors. Product knowledge is for icky blue-collar people with icky grease under their nails, not fabulous MBAs like themselves. It also doesn't matter to them whether the "product" comes from America or China, as long as they have a document saying the factory that produced it was certified to ISO nine-thousand-and-whatever (another scam, another rant).

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From the looks of your car I suggest you read on.

Nice bug though.
That "fatchick" superbeetle (LOL!) has about ten pounds of plastic in it.

My car is just fine. I have successfully balanced a nickel on its edge, on the valve cover. And I drive this car every day.

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You believe what you read to much
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the Chrysler Corporation slant six high performance manual, I quote
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From the looks of your car I suggest you read on
So, yeah, Johnny: which way is it? We read too much 'round these parts, or not enough? In your expert opinion on the matter, of course...

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Whew! Exhausted from reading all that.
Reading gets easier and faster with practice.
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You mentioned the "very talented and knowledgeable engineers at Chrysler" who decided the 180 degree t-stat was the one, don't recall this talented bunch saying anything about running a wire from your VR to your alternator
Well, lookit there...the guy who thinks "a ground is a ground" is still having trouble grasping the concept of ground quality and how sheetmetal grounds deteriorate after a vehicle's been in service for three or four decades. You got (and ignored) several different good explanations and numerous illustrative examples on the matter; when you're rested up from all this exhausting reading, you may want to review those explanations a few times until you understand.

Once you've done that, post a quickie "Oh...I get it now" and we'll move on to the complicated and intricate topic of why the correct thermostat temperature for a 1964 Dart in 1964 is still the correct thermostat temperature for a 1964 Dart in 2005. And after that, in the really advanced lessons, we can work on the really complex issues, like why valid analogies work so much better than invalid ones in a debate.

Maybe during lunch break, we can discuss the question of why Chrysler provided the "GRD" hole on the alternator housing in the first place. (It's because police cars, taxicabs and fleet vehicles got a ground wire that ran from the alternator housing to the voltage regulator base...right from the factory!)
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By the way, car runs great. Very happy with the set up.
Excellent. Well done. Not so hard, eh? :roll:

Logic, reason and fact beat guesses and ignorant opinions every time—no matter who provides the facts and who provides the guesses. I have no tolerance for irrational behavior, and nobody's been successful at telling me why I should tolerate it. Funnily enough, the only ones who seem to have a problem with that are those who like to behave irrationally (gee!).

It's your thang, brother. Do whatchya gotta do. I cain' tell ya (Dweedle-dweedle-dweet!) whom to sock it to.

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From the looks of your car I suggest you read on.

Nice bug though.
LOL, we both took your advice. Dan beat me to it though. Guess you should be careful what you wish for, eh? :wink:

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From the looks of your car I suggest you read on.

Nice bug though.
LOL, we both took your advice.
♪ ♪ ♫My car's better than yourrrr car!♪ ♫♪
♪ ♫♫My car's better than yours!♪♪♫
♪ ♪ ♫ ♫♪ ♫My car's better 'cause it gets Ken-L Ration,♫♫♪♪
♪ ♫♪ ♫My car's better than yours!♫♪ ♪ ♫

:-) :-) :-)

(note for the humour-impaired and younger readers: This is not me claiming my car is better than anyone else's. It's me mocking an old dog food commercial from the 1960s.)

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Going back to the original post Jimmy T said the temperature's and humidity were stifling.That is why I suggested a 160 stat,if that works for him what's the problem?Different thermostats can be used with the change of seasons.Even danny the rocket scientist should know that.

Just think now that you have your little wire to the alternator,all you need is a taxi sign on top of your car and your in business!!!! :roll:


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Hey, I know Ive got nothing better to do than change my thermostat twice a year.

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You should try it some time!!
Heck it's not even that hard,just get out your favorite trusty book,read up on it a little.Even you can figure it out.Heck make a wonderful day out of it.

Make sure you stay to spec though because if you dont catistrophic things will happen. :shock:


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YEAH who knows I might get a drop of antifreeze on my pristine trailer floor! BOO HOO! :lol:

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It would be nice if the moderator would actually moderate, instead of childishly goading the gulliable into a pointless debate. If I was running this board, the moderator would no longer moderate and both would be banned to the "naughty room". But since I don't, we all get to endure this BS.


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I'm going to add something that should be able to be confirmed as science fact, and doesn't just apply to cars. Of course that's if I am remembering what I read correctly.

The greater the temperature difference between the air and radiator temperature, the better/more efficient it cools. So, if the radiator is 180° and the air temperature is 100° (80° difference), the radiator will actually cool better than if the radiator was 160° and the air temperature was 100°(only a 60° difference).

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THE SLANT 6
III. OFF-ROAD MODIFICATIONS
2. Thermostat

For most high performance off-road applications, a high engine temperature is undesirable. For these applications, install a 160 degree thermostat, PN 3514174, which will help the engine run cooler. NOTE -Most" summer" thermostats currently available are in the 180-185 degree range. Winter thermostats are around 195 degrees.

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Hook Line & Sinker :P

Wanna tell us again who baited who, kevin?

Some people just dont like being told they're not the second coming, and in a perfect world we all would be, but the reality is NO ONE is right 100% of the time and if you cant take it you shouldnt post in the first place. That is where these threads degenerate into garbage.

The only thing I hate more than getting sucked into a flame war is watching someone arrogate their bad advice upon everybody else and then flame when they get confronted about it. If you cant prove your position with a well-informed and referenced response, well, you lose.

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