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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:51 pm 
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I have located a set of 198 rods and am getting with the owner soon for pricing. What Id like to know is what pistons are you using-kind,size and
overbore and the approx. compression ratio you are pushing with
your combo. Im looking pretty hard at a set of KB silvolite pistons which are #KB239. Anyone have a pretty close guess at what the compression
ratio would be with an unshaved head???


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:14 pm 
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Also- what rings are everyone using?? Also what is the best way to
buy a set? Does this mean I'll have to buy 2 sets of rings to have enough
to cover 6 pistons?? Since the pistons come in sets of four...??? :shock: :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:27 pm 
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I think an unshaved head gets anywhere upwards of 10.1-10.8:1 depending on deck height and other factors...

I did a 'rough out' on the long rod block I got a while back, and I'm having my pistons dished per Doc's sketch...the calipers told me the pistons might pop out of the hole +.06 (the previous owner decked the block I think).

The setup came with Hastings rings (yep, 8 sets).

good luck,

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:50 pm 
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are there 2 sizes of the 198 rod?
One for the older wide throw forged crank and one for the last /6's, narrow throw cast cranks?
Is Doc's sketch of the piston Mod's handy for me too?
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 Post subject: Re: 198 rods
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:02 pm 
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are there 2 sizes of the 198 rod?
One for the older wide throw forged crank and one for the last /6's, narrow throw cast cranks?
No, only one type of 198 rod. There were no cast-crank 198s.

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On a stock deck block with the 2.2 KB turbo pistons deck height will be -.020"/-.030". Mine came out to -.028" on 2 different blocks.

Make sure you check your deck height on all cylinders too. I have heard of blocks that had different heights from front to back.

You can also order race rings for the 2.2 pistons and only get 6 sets, but it costs just as much as buying 2 stock 4 piston sets, and you don't have 2 ring sets for spares. :shock:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:09 pm 
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Thanks guys. This helps me get in the ballpark.....

SZ or DI : Do you recall which keith black pistons are in your engines??
KB239 or KB268???

Another Question also : What oversize on the 2.2 pistons and how much did you have the engines bored??


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:58 pm 
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I don't remember the number, but mine are .5mm oversize. It requires a +.065" overbore. :shock:

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Thanks guys. This helps me get in the ballpark.....

SZ or DI : Do you recall which keith black pistons are in your engines??
KB239 or KB268???

Another Question also : What oversize on the 2.2 pistons and how much did you have the engines bored??
I have used the 2.2 Std., .5, .75 and 1mm O/S pistons over the years. (3.445, 3.465, 3.475, 3.485)
It boils down to that old "thicker cylinder wall vs more displacement" debate , you have to decide which will give you more power,... your choice.

I always buy 2 sets of 4 ring packs, costs the same as getting 6 and I will only have to buy on set of 4 later, when I go to "freashen-up" the motor.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:55 pm 
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Input on KB239's or 268's?? anyone??


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:41 pm 
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Since my Silvolite 1291's are t the machinists in line to be dished I can't comment on the KB series of pistons for you.

My block is 3.445 for std size 2.2L. This motor will be going into the FDX project.

-D.Idiot


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:27 am 
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Thanks DI: Scored the whole 198 for $50 :shock:


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Thanks DI: Scored the whole 198 for $50 :shock:
Ya done good. :D

Block and heads are the same as 225, so you got lots of good parts. :shock:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:23 am 
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SlantZilla: What bolts are in your 198 rods?? Can I use arp rod bolts from
the la series small blocks 273-360???same thing???


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:01 am 
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Use the ARP con rod bolts listed for the SL6, there are 2 types available.
DD
http://www.slantsix.org/articles/ARP-st ... rdware.htm


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