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 Post subject: Power steering troubles.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:36 am 
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It's my understanding that both my power steering pump and the gearbox need to be replaced. Is this a big job, or something I could do over a nice chunk of my weekend? I'm sick of paying labor on things I could probably do, so I figured I'd explore my options here. Also, where is the best place to get the parts I need? Thanks in advance for your replies.

By the way, it's on a '70 Dart Custom with a 225


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:58 am 
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I've never replaced either, but at least it's on the "good" side of the engine to work on. If it were me, I'd give it a shot. Just do your research first...

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This is definitely a weekend project. The only tricky part will be separating the pittman arm from the drag link, but there are tools for that. Make sure you have either a tie-rod separator or a gear puller (the preferred method).

If I were in your place I would take this oportunity to scout the local boneyard for a junked Mopar Cop car and grab that steering gearbox. It will bolt right it (you have to use your original pittman arm) but it will be a "firm feel" or "fast ratio" steering gearbox.

The pump and gearbox just bolt right on and are simple to swap and exchange.


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H'mmm. What are the symptoms, and how do you conclude that both the pump and the box require replacement?

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if it was mine, i'd switch it to manual steering. unless my girlfriend was going to drive it.

but i just like the idea of really simple engine compartments.

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If I were in your place I would take this oportunity to scout the local boneyard for a junked Mopar Cop car and grab that steering gearbox. It will bolt right it (you have to use your original pittman arm)
He's working on a '70, which has a smaller output shaft (where the Pitman arm connects) than the cop car boxes used. The cop car boxes will bolt into a '73-'76 A-body, but the interchange for his '70 is '62-'72 A and B body. The cop box would probably work if a '73-'76 A-body pitman arm were used, but there may be other differences in the steering linkage geometry that I'm not aware of that would complicate this swap.
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but it will be a "firm feel" or "fast ratio" steering gearbox.
The ratio on all the Mopar RWD passenger car power steering boxes is the same, 16:1 (3-1/2 turns lock-to-lock). The difference between the cop "Firm Feel" boxes and the regular ones is the thickness of the reaction rings, not the ratio.

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if it was mine, i'd switch it to manual steering
HEAR HEAR! Definitely my preferred fix, too.

See thread Here.

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:oops: Whoops! :oops: Thats what I get for responding without double checking my five year old memories of research!


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 Post subject: Steering Gearbox swap
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:06 am 
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If you are going to swap over from power steering to manual, then you will have to find a steering column from a manual, and at least steal the center shaft from it. The shaft on a power steering unit is about 3 inches shorter due to the valve body that is incorporated into the power steering unit.


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If you are going to swap over from power steering to manual, then you will have to find a steering column from a manual, and at least steal the center shaft from it. The shaft on a power steering unit is about 3 inches shorter due to the valve body that is incorporated into the power steering unit.
An adapter is available from Flaming River and probably others too.

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