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 Post subject: Carb puzzle solved
PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:28 am 
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Someone said to look at Weber 5200 carbs. Some were puzzled that I couldn't find much of anything on the internet about them. Turns out altho they are Holley produced Webers, over 99% of people on the internet refer to them as Holley, not Weber.

Question remaining: I've read (also on the internet) that Holley 5200's were a "cheap knock-off" of the Webers. Comments? Thanks


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:18 am 
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Cheaper in price, not cheaply constructed.

The Holley/Weber 5210 is found on 1970's GM 4cyl. cars and mostly on Vegas. The 5200 is the Ford version of this carb. The Weber version is a 32/36 DFEV or 32/36 DFAV.

I tracked my 5210 down to coming off of a 1977 Vega. I found this info out of a Chilton Auto Repair Manual 1975 through 1982. The Holley/Webber carb came out in the early 1970's

The 5200 is considerd a Ford Autolite Motorcraft Carb.(at least in this manual). From 1975-1981.

The 5210 is considerd a Holley as is the rest of the numbers below.
The 5210 included AMC 1977-1979.
GMC Chevette 1979 and 1980, Monza & Vega 1975-1978, Starfire 1976-1978, Astre, Sunbird and Ventura 1975-1978.

Numbers below are more electronic.
The 5220 is a 1978-1981 Chrysler Omni/Horizon version.
The 6500 is a 1978-1981 Ford Pinto/Bobcat.
The 6510 is a 1978-1981 GMC.
The 6145 and 6520 is a 1981 Chrysler.

Different Sites with Information on Holley/Webber Carbs

http://www.slantsix.com/UBB/Forum16/HTML/010573.html
(This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl)

http://www.albertpenello.com/mustang/engine.html
(This site has info on putting a 5200 on a Ford 200 6cyl)

http://www.angelfire.com/me4/bootsnthej ... ertech.htm
(This site has info on putting a Webber on a Jeep 6cyl)

http://www.225.ca/tech/jstk002.htm
(This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl)

http://www.surpluselectron.com/aaron/holley.htm

http://www.carburetion.com/carbinf.htm

http://www.webercarbsdirect.com/technical_information

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:26 am 
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Yes, and to expand on this:

Chrysler produced cars/trucks til 1987/1988 respectively with these 5220/6520. Depending what they got, early TBI was offered starting in 84-85-ish as a OPTION and offered on very few models.

I have 5220 on 2.2L in 1987 plymouth caravan. Works ok, long as it's hard starting variety rather than easy start/ crummy running. :wink:

After 87/88 all chrysler cars/trucks got injection of any form TBI or MPI.

Cheers, Wizard


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:33 pm 
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Cheaper in price, not cheaply constructed.

The Holley/Weber 5210 is found on 1970's GM 4cyl. cars and mostly on Vegas. The 5200 is the Ford version of this carb. The Weber version is a 32/36 DFEV or 32/36 DFAV.

I tracked my 5210 down to coming off of a 1977 Vega. I found this info out of a Chilton Auto Repair Manual 1975 through 1982. The Holley/Webber carb came out in the early 1970's

The 5200 is considerd a Ford Autolite Motorcraft Carb.(at least in this manual). From 1975-1981.

The 5210 is considerd a Holley as is the rest of the numbers below.
The 5210 included AMC 1977-1979.
GMC Chevette 1979 and 1980, Monza & Vega 1975-1978, Starfire 1976-1978, Astre, Sunbird and Ventura 1975-1978.

Numbers below are more electronic.
The 5220 is a 1978-1981 Chrysler Omni/Horizon version.
The 6500 is a 1978-1981 Ford Pinto/Bobcat.
The 6510 is a 1978-1981 GMC.
The 6145 and 6520 is a 1981 Chrysler.

Different Sites with Information on Holley/Webber Carbs

http://www.slantsix.com/UBB/Forum16/HTML/010573.html
(This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl)

http://www.albertpenello.com/mustang/engine.html
(This site has info on putting a 5200 on a Ford 200 6cyl)

http://www.angelfire.com/me4/bootsnthej ... ertech.htm
(This site has info on putting a Webber on a Jeep 6cyl)

http://www.225.ca/tech/jstk002.htm
(This site has info on putting a Webber on a Dodge 6cyl)

http://www.surpluselectron.com/aaron/holley.htm

http://www.carburetion.com/carbinf.htm

http://www.webercarbsdirect.com/technical_information
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:34 pm 
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Yes, and to expand on this:

Chrysler produced cars/trucks til 1987/1988 respectively with these 5220/6520. Depending what they got, early TBI was offered starting in 84-85-ish as a OPTION and offered on very few models.

I have 5220 on 2.2L in 1987 plymouth caravan. Works ok, long as it's hard starting variety rather than easy start/ crummy running. :wink:

After 87/88 all chrysler cars/trucks got injection of any form TBI or MPI.

Cheers, Wizard
Thanks


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:29 pm 
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After 87/88 all chrysler cars/trucks got injection of any form TBI or MPI.

Cheers, Wizard
Minor nitpick- the 1989 M-bodies (5th Avenue, Gran Fury, Diplomat) were all still carbureted IIRC.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:48 pm 
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I forgot to add my own. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/658846/5

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:22 am 
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I think I bought an earlier version of the 5210 (haven't received it yet). I'm almost certain I'll need to rebuild it. And I'll need a choke. How do you locate parts for these? I had assumed that Weber suppliers would have them if you knew which numbers to ask for.

Thanks

BTW, the web site says the Weber version is DFEV/DFAV. Aren't F's for Fords?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:59 pm 
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I got all my parts from the parts store. Just get a kit for an early Chevy Vega, maybe 1975. My electric choke is for a 1980 Ford Pinto.
The "F" I don't believe it means Ford. The "E" is for electric choke and the "A" is for a water choke.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:42 am 
I think my '73 Mercury Capri V6 2.6 L had a holley/weber 5200 and it was referred to as a "progressive" 2 barrel meaning that it was like half of a mechanical secondary 4V, running on 1 barrel until you pushed the throttle down. FWIW.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:13 am 
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Just get a kit for an early Chevy Vega, maybe 1975. My electric choke is for a 1980 Ford Pinto.
Makes sense. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:51 am 
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Pat, that would be correct!

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 Post subject: cfm rating?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:19 pm 
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Anybody know the cfm rating of these carbs?
I just remember the inconsistant idle speed/ quality that they are notorious for in the Volkswagen air cooled world. I never had any similar problems in a 2.3 ford app. Have had both weber and holley castings on 2.3's, same carb and respond well to tuning!
If the cfm rating is slightly higher than a bbd, It should make a good swap in my eyes as I am fairly familiar with em, and my app is with a manual trans, so no kickdown worries. Thanks in advance!
Bill

Update...I answered my own question.
220 cfm bbd vs 280 cfm holley weber....hummmm.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:38 pm 
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The majority are rated at 280 CFM (same as a Carter BBD) but some models are lower. 210 I think.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:43 pm 
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I got the bbd rating from the 1bbl vs 2bbl topic...
Just wonder if it would be worth the trouble.
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