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Author: | Dart270 [ Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
Far out. Interested to hear how it runs. I guess you will use a 390 4bbl on this or maybe an Edel 500? Lou |
Author: | Reed [ Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
I have an old Carter AFB that is 500 CFM that I am running right now on a Super Six intake with a 2 to 4 barrel adapter (I know, not optimal). I also have a Holley 2300 Economaster 350 CFM carb and a Holley 4360 Economaster four barrel that flows 450 CFM. The Holleys both need some work before they can run, but i may try them out. Short term I am running the Edelbrock. |
Author: | GTS225 [ Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
Reed, wouldn't that open center of the 90* adapter kinda negate the concept of the dual-plane plenum? Seems that you'd get unwanted mixture between the dual planes before the charge even got to the plenum. But, I'm not an automotive engineer. Roger |
Author: | Reed [ Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
Roger- no. The divider goes from the floor of the plenum to the carb mounting surface, so the two planes, or, in this case, more accurately the two halves, remain separate as long as the division is maintained up to the bottom of the carb. I did intetionally leave about a 1/2 inch gap at the bottom of the carb for pressure balancing. Will it help/hurt? I have no idea. I build intakes using RTV sealant. I don't have sophisticated measuring devices. I can always build a thin air dam out of JB weld putty if necessary. |
Author: | SlantSixDan [ Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
Cool project, nice-looking result, but using RTV inside the intake like this makes my beard stand on end. Yes, RTV is gasoline-resistant to a degree, but that's for incidental exposure, not a constant steady high-velocity gasoline shower. I really think you should clean that RTV all the way out of there and either leave it (and any substitute) out, or use a more suitable material—preferably one that involves welding equipment, not a squeeze-tube. The consequences of sucking glue of whatever kind into the engine can be worse than they might seem; RTV is made out of silicone. When silicone is burned, you get silica, a high abrasive that can do a real job on things like cylinders. I might also quibble a little with calling this a "dual plane" intake. It's a divided single-plane intake. Here's a dual-plane, dual-carb Slant-6 intake: Attachment:
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Author: | Reed [ Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
OK, I will tear it down and remove the silicone. Lacking a mig or tig welder, I will have to break down and try Durafix aluminum brazing rods to secure the divider. As far as "dual plane" goes, that South African manifold looks pretty nifty, but it seems like an over complicated way of achieving the same effect as I did. I think balancing the micture in that dual carb intake with the stacked plenums would be a nightmare. It seems to e that splitting a stock arrangement manifold down the middle and running a transverse mounted carb achieves the same goal of a separate intake plenum for each half of the engine, but since it is an in-line engine as opposed to a V shaped engine, the plenums do not need to stack. Then again, I am by no means an expert on this stuff and could be missing some advantage to the stacked runners on that South African intake. I will keep making slow progress on this project as the summer goes on and will report back what I find. |
Author: | DadTruck [ Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
Reed, you are doing great work here, a nice, innovated approach. The video at the link has graphics that explain how a dual plane intake improves the vacuum signal to the carb over a single plane intake. The important concept is that the two plenums must be completely separated. Notice that the carburator base on the dual plane intakes shown the plenum wall goes to the carb-carb gasket base. Any leakage or balance tube that connects the plenums will dilute the effect of the dual plenum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UfZXXrrPTk I used aluminum rod with a butane torch to fill gaps for an aluminum project I was working this past spring, I used the Benz-o-Matic rods from Lowes with good success. I have also seen the aluminum gas torch welding rods at Harbor Freight. The video at the link compares various brands of aluminum gas torch welding rods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKIKsDfRAcs Loctite has several products that are advertised as gasoline resistant. the link shows one of them. Personally I would call the Tech Line at Loctite, explain what you are trying to accomplish and get their input for the sealing product solution. https://www.loctiteproducts.com/en/prod ... pound.html Good Luck with your project. I am certainly interested in how it works out. I may do something similar on the slant in the D150 over the winter. |
Author: | Reed [ Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
Thanks for the kind words. I have always been a bit leery of sealing it with RTV sealant, so I will just go back and use the Durafix rods and some Mapp gas. I may re-fabricate the dividing wall out of aluminium instead of steel since Durafix does not stick to steel. |
Author: | Dart270 [ Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
I would feel fine about using a few little spots of JB Weld to fix it in place. Really, it cannot move once the plate is on top of it. Thanks for the cool posts, everyone! Lou |
Author: | ProCycle [ Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
The divider could be sealed around the edge with a piece of fuel hose split down the side |
Author: | lgu32 [ Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
In my version the divider was not sealed at all. There was 1 - 2 mm gap around and the system did its job well. In the past the multi carburetor systems have balance tubes in between ports doing something. A small leak at the divider area does the same "something". I had port injecting EFI not carburetor. |
Author: | Reed [ Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
Quote: In my version the divider was not sealed at all. There was 1 - 2 mm gap around and the system did its job well.
Thanks for sharing this. I have been wondering if the usual carbureted intake principles applied to an EFI system.
In the past the multi carburetor systems have balance tubes in between ports doing something. A small leak at the divider area does the same "something". I had port injecting EFI not carburetor. |
Author: | lgu32 [ Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Make your own dual-plane intake |
The vacuum outlet port used for example didnt hit to the divider but was in side of 1-2-3. As well I had my oxygen sensor in my D-duals front. So my 225 was doing a master and slave run. The first three cylinders was controlling everything and the 4-5-6 has to adapt to what they will get. It was working well. The marginal leakage in between 1-2-3 and 4-5-6 didnt cause any problems. viewtopic.php?t=53817 |
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