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 Post subject: Rear main
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:22 am 
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My forged crank had a rope type seal. The Dutra book says the neoprene seal can be used if you polish the knurling off the crank surface.
Whick do you guys suggest?
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 Post subject: Re: Rear main
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:48 am 
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Do what the book says.

I have never polished the knurling.. but it should be done.

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 Post subject: Re: Rear main
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:57 am 
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When I installed lip seal in the oe 68 Barracuda motor I installed the crank, thrust bearing and retainer with a lip seal in the block.
Moving the crank back and forth to simulate crank end play, the lip of the seal never runs over the knurling. Check it out yourself.
If you can’t get a good visual coat the rear journal with blue layout fluid or use a magic marker. One could also use a very light coat of a dark bearing grease. Spin the crank a few times and you will see where the seal lip rides with respect to the knurling.
If you polish the journal enough to remove the knurling, the journal will be smaller. That takes sealing pressure away from the lip seal.

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 Post subject: Re: Rear main
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:17 am 
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I have only ever used rubber seals. I have never polished the knurling off. The only times I had leaks were, I believe, when I had assembly problems. For a given seal retainer (matched to block from factory), I have always been able to get good rear main sealing, sometimes with small drips every time I park it, but usually that is the oilpan seals not the rear main. Doug's book has a good assembly procedure (but no need to remove knurling). I always coat the surface of the retainer and the block groove modestly with Ultra Black and put a spot of that on the mating surface between those two parts where the seal rides.

After I assemble it, there are the two little rubber seal pieces that stick out laterally. I cut those flush with a razor blade before installing the oilpan. You can do it w/o trimming, but I feel it gives a more reliable seal without those little tabs. I also do not use the cylindrical shell plastic inserts on the retainer bolts, but put some RTV in there too.

Many ways work. Mostly it is about taking care and making sure everything fits smoothly without forcing anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Rear main
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:10 am 
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I was told that the knurling helps direct oil away from the seal. So I have never polished that area.


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 Post subject: Re: Rear main
PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:29 am 
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Do what the book says.

I have never polished the knurling.. but it should be done.
Well, I did. Did the old school shoestring polish with 320-600 just to make sure it is smooth. My book must be an early one because it never mentions the lip seal, only rope.
Thanks, Bernie


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 Post subject: Re: Rear main
PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:33 am 
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Car Model: 1964 Dodge Dart
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When I installed lip seal in the oe 68 Barracuda motor I installed the crank, thrust bearing and retainer with a lip seal in the block.
Moving the crank back and forth to simulate crank end play, the lip of the seal never runs over the knurling. Check it out yourself.
If you can’t get a good visual coat the rear journal with blue layout fluid or use a magic marker. One could also use a very light coat of a dark bearing grease. Spin the crank a few times and you will see where the seal lip rides with respect to the knurling.
If you polish the journal enough to remove the knurling, the journal will be smaller. That takes sealing pressure away from the lip seal.
I did mine with black engine assembly grease and unfortunately it does land in the knurling (just barely). I did a compromise, didnt remove the knurling but smoothed it with 320-600 paper.

Thanks, Bernie


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 Post subject: Re: Rear main
PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:43 am 
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Car Model: 1964 Dodge Dart
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I have only ever used rubber seals. I have never polished the knurling off. The only times I had leaks were, I believe, when I had assembly problems. For a given seal retainer (matched to block from factory), I have always been able to get good rear main sealing, sometimes with small drips every time I park it, but usually that is the oilpan seals not the rear main. Doug's book has a good assembly procedure (but no need to remove knurling). I always coat the surface of the retainer and the block groove modestly with Ultra Black and put a spot of that on the mating surface between those two parts where the seal rides.

After I assemble it, there are the two little rubber seal pieces that stick out laterally. I cut those flush with a razor blade before installing the oilpan. You can do it w/o trimming, but I feel it gives a more reliable seal without those little tabs. I also do not use the cylindrical shell plastic inserts on the retainer bolts, but put some RTV in there too.

Many ways work. Mostly it is about taking care and making sure everything fits smoothly without forcing anything.

Lou
Thank you sir. This is what I did and I spent some time thinking about it before I fell asleep last night. I sure hope it works because if it doesnt with that silicone in the block groove, it ain't coming out unless the crank gets removed. The instructions included on the FelPro bag containing the seal say to do just that so I'm pretty confident.
Thanks, Bernie


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