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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:44 pm 
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Wow, that's an interesting one. I'm tempted to think it's a (very) bad wheel bearing...maybe...?

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Wheel bearings are nearly new, with no visible damage or wear, and no noise when I drove it a week ago.


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would an incorrect installation of the primary vs. secondary shoe have such a spectacular effect? but you've been driving it on the same breaks before this started, right?


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Im with Dan on this. Even though the wheel bearings were replaced 1000 miles ago IT REALLY sounds like a wheel bearing. There are alot of Cheap bearings out now but even a good brand can have a problem.
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Should be fairly easy to check...slack off the wheel bearing preload adjustment such that the drum stays in place but isn't locked down by the nut , and see if the behaviour changes from "wheel won't turn" to "wheel keeps turning but bearing obviously seizes".

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After checking everything again, I have to agree that the bearing is the only logical answer. I ordered a new set from Rock Auto and will get the drum turned before I install them. At least I'll know that the wheel and drum are stable and turning true.

A side note...I was going to order a new drum, and discovered that they had drums for both 2" and 2-1/2" brakes for a Valiant with the slant engine. I thought they were all the same.

Mine are 2-1/2", but that drum isn't stocked, and the note said it could be up to 31 days to get it, so I'lll use the old drum for now.


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The fronts are 9″× 2½″. The rears are 9″× 2″. If you're keeping the 9″drums, it's best to use the much meatier 70-'72 finned drums, which give you a bigger margin of heat rejection before the brakes start fading. See this post.

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Update for anyone interested.

I had the drum turned, and it was within FSM tolerance, according to the machine shop.

Good old Rock Auto came through again with a quick delivery and the right part numbers. Unfortunately, both bearings were made in China. The seal was USA made, but I sure wish it had been the other way around.

I cleaned up the old bearings and gave them a close inspection. There was a very slight discoloration that was apparently caused by overheating. I also found that the outer bearing cage had a tiny deformed area on one side. It wasn't enough to bind aroller, but it might have contributed to the problem. FWIW, the bearings I removed were made in Romania.

Compared to some bad front wheel bearings I've seen, the ones I removed looked pretty good, and they never made any noise. However, something caused them to get hot enough to discolor the metal.

After adjusting the brake, I took it for a short test drive, and the problem did not reappear, but we'll see what happens.


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Turning just one drum is a bad idea. If the front drums are more then 0.010" difference in diameter the car can pull to the larger side under heavy braking.


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Turning just one drum is a bad idea. If the front drums are more then 0.010" difference in diameter the car can pull to the larger side under heavy braking.


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The drum was only turned enough to determine if there was an out-of-round condition, but FWIW, finding a forty-year-old car with drums within .010" of each other has about the same odds as winning the lottery.


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