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 Post subject: GM 3 pin coil?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:40 pm 
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I need to know which pin is the +, - side of the coil? One is suppose to be used as a tach...

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I googled "mopar hei conversion" clicked on images and found a bunch of diagrams, they might help.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:06 am 
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I found this pic...

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Circuit labeled A -Pink Wire: Power (12 V) Circuit.

Circuit labeled B -White Wire: Tach Signal for the Tachometer in the Instrument Cluster if equipped.

Circuit labeled C -White with Black stripe Wire: Switching Signal Circuit. This wire (circuit) comes from the Ignition Module.

From this site...

http://easyautodiagnostics.com/gm_icm_t ... stic_1.php

So, if i'm going to use the original wiring harness coil 12v + for the start, run source i connect it to (A) on the coil and (B) on the HEI module and connect (C) from the coil to (C) on the HEI module?

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The HEI Electronic Ignition Retrofit How-To is a "little confusing" :roll:

http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic ... 2ad42d5243

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If you look at the article it say's:

If you use this combination coil/module assembly, the original coil has three terminal pins:

A) is the coil's primary (+) terminal; gets ignition-on 12v and is connected to module pin "A".

B) is a tachometer signal output. Not used if you don't have a tach.

C) is the coil's primary (-) terminal, goes to module pin "D"

I'm not sure why he's saying module pins "A" and "D"

It looks like he is giving the wiring for the 4 pin HEI module that comes with the coil pack...Is this HEI module usable? Look at the pic

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In the article he say's

"The newer style module included with this setup won't work with the Mopar distributor; it's looking for a 0-5 volt square wave, and that's not the kind of signal the Mopar distributor puts out. You can use the early type (4-pin) module—part numbers specified above in the discussion of module selection"

Here's a pic of the setup he's talking about...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:07 am 
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The article is a little confusing, especially on this point, and you found the most complicated wiring diagram for the HEI conversion I have seen yet.

I drew up a wiring diagram of how I believe you need to wire the HEI module and the coil you are using. I left out the relay wiring for simplicity, but I do encourage you to use one.

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Sorry about the hand shadows. I had to use my phone to take a picture because my scanner is a PITA to use right now.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:36 am 
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Thanks for the response and drawing the diagram...Reed

That helps confirm what i was thinking! It will be the same setup i have now but with a higher voltage coil...i gapped the plugs to .050 yesterday

I checked the coil it doesn't have any A,B,C letters from what i read the ignition coil connector has the A,B,C lettering.
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I left out the relay wiring for simplicity, but I do encourage you to use one.
I'm going to work on adding a relay soon...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:48 am 
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Thanks for the response and drawing the diagram...Reed

That helps confirm what i was thinking! It will be the same setup i have now but with a higher voltage coil...i gapped the plugs to .050 yesterday

I checked the coil it doesn't have any A,B,C letters from what i read the ignition coil connector has the A,B,C lettering.
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I left out the relay wiring for simplicity, but I do encourage you to use one.
I'm going to work on adding a relay soon...
Sounds good. The plug should only go on the coil one way, so use the "A-B-C" on the plug to guide your harness fabrication.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:06 pm 
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does anyone have a part number for the plug that goes to the coil shown?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:02 pm 
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Autozone has the Duralast 1065 for $47.99

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Oreilly has the ACDelco PT1795 for $35. 99

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You can get the ACDelco for $27.80 off ebay...

I made my own connectors and got the coil pack installed! I'll take some pics tomorrow...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:34 am 
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This is how i mounted the GM coil pack for now...I'm sure it's better to work it out in more of a horizontial position maybe tucked away somewhere or maybe fabricating your own mounting bracket or seperating the two

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Since i didn't have a GM coil connector, what i did was take a smaller probably 3/16" spade connector and cut half of one side off with my dremel and crimped it a little bit so it would plug onto the coil pin nice and tight and covered the terminal with heat shrink tubing

I was able to use the orignal coil to distributor connector...i just crimped it so it would fit snug over the gm male coil connector. I had to cut one of the heat sink cooling fins off and grind it smooth to mount the older 4 pin hei module. I figure this will bump the coil output to 40,000-50,000 volts

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