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 Post subject: How to split?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:39 am 
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When I'm setting up the new dual master cylinder in my '63 Dart wagon, what's typical when re-working the brake line plumbing?

There's a 3-way junction just below my single-pot MC. Two splits feed the front brakes, and one split feeds the rear. Do people usually just plug the rear split on that junction and mate/flare a new line from the rear directly up to the "R" output on the MC? Is there any better way to do this?


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Hi Evan,

You should probably use a combination valve. This is especially true if you are using a disc/drum setup.

The combination valve has 2 inlets and 3 outlets. It works as the splitter for the front. .....and is the proportioning valve to get the front /rear braking bias correct.

If you are staying with drums of equal size you can do as you suggested and plug one outlet on your current spitter.

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this thing makes your life alot easier.

http://inlinetube.com/Prop%20Valves/BLK241.htm

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Thanks Sandy. Stayed with 9" drums all the way around. Upgraded the front ones to the finned version from 70-71, but still 9's.


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this thing makes your life alot easier.

http://inlinetube.com/Prop%20Valves/BLK241.htm
Thanks on this! I agree, I'll pick me up one of these guys. Not exactly cheap, but I'll gladly pay it to avoid having to flare-fit a new line direct to the existing brake line.


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this thing makes your life alot easier.

http://inlinetube.com/Prop%20Valves/BLK241.htm
How in the heck does this thing mount to the "stock location"? The Inline Tube website calls this a "1962-64 A, B, C-body Distribution Block - Polara / Dart / Coronet / Fury / Belvedere"). But the mounting bracket Inline Tube provides with their block is a flat strap with a tab: completely unlike my Dart original L-shaped mounting bracket. If I mounted their block as received, it would be turned completely the wrong way. And both blocks are not removable from their brackets so a swap is not a possibility.

This is not making my life easier!

Danarchy - you recommended this thing. How did you plumb yours?

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I would carefully remove the tab....shape it to work the way you want....then remount the tab back on the block.

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Here are the instructions from the site :

Dual Master - If you are converting to dual master cylinder leaving the drum brakes, simply mount this block in the same location, hook up the right and left front brake lines and hook up the front to rear. Two ports are left - You will have to make 2 master cylinder lines both in 3/16".

I can take a picture of mine tomorrow. The tab fits exactly where the original came from, and you just run two new lines from the Master Cylinder to the block. It just acts like a junction for the rear, and the fronts split.

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....simply mount this block in the same location, hook up the right and left front brake lines and hook up the front to rear.... [/i]

I can take a picture of mine tomorrow. The tab fits exactly where the original came from...
I read their instructions. They read as though you should be able to bolt-on their new T-block and go. I'd like you to show me this with your pictures of how it worked for you.

They say nothing about removing the T-block from the mounting brace it comes on and installing it on the original brace. It's oriented completely the wrong way when you use their mounting strap/brace.


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I can take a picture of mine tomorrow.
Any pictures Danarchy?


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Turns out I needed this distribution block instead of the one you pointed me at. Swapping them out now.


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Sorry for the delay, car was covered in ICE last couple of days. Just shot this pic at work! Hope this helps.-Dan

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Thanks. Your tee-block is not the same one as the Inline Tube block you pointed at. There's an extra port on yours, compared to the one they shipped me. The orientation of your block on the mounting strap is also different, which means the mounting strap is different than mine.

I've called Inline Tube and for whatever reason, my block/bracket is their BLK 243, mounted on a long L-bracket. They call it "1965-66 A, B, C-body Distribution Block - Polara / Dart / Coronet / Fury / Belvedere".

Problem solved, moving on, waiting a few more days to get what I need.


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:? BLK241 is what I ordered from Inline Tube, it was listed as a 5-port, but was actually 6 with a threaded plug! Don't know why they would change it? It works fine as is. Hope you get it straightened out.-Dan

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 Post subject: Re: How to split?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:15 pm 
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There's a 3-way junction just below my single-pot MC. Two splits feed the front brakes, and one split feeds the rear. Do people usually just plug the rear split on that junction and mate/flare a new line from the rear directly up to the "R" output on the MC? Is there any better way to do this?
Yes, that's an acceptable, safe, and very quick way to take care of a hydraulic system if you have 4 drum brakes. See several pictures and a nice long-winded story here.

As others have pointed out, there are more elegant ways, which provide more flexibility. :)

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