Huh, I haven't needed to get that in depth to a BBD for a long time, so I haven't seen that bfore.

The Carter Carb Manuals link works fine for me. It links to a zip file that automatically begins downloading.

A 5/16 drill bit from the top will fall right down between the center venturi and carb wall on v8 1-3/16 venturi carbs, will not fit threw on small venturi 1-1/16 slant carbs. On small carbs a 1/4 drill will just barely pass threw. A word of caution starting 1978 318 v8s got smaller venturi 1-1/16 carbs. Casting number 0-2543 and 0-2681 are slant carbs. I looked at several of them. The choke linkage looks right. 8137s is 1978 sedan 3500# weight class auto for 225.

Try this one http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Carbs/Cart ... index.html

I read the post you had a week or so ago and yes the spring ( that stupid little spring ) made a world of difference.

After reading that I decided that I needed to set-up my carb correctly, that means finding out how it would have been set up specifically when it was new for that SPECIFIC application.

That is the info I am trying to get now.

I am trying to find out if a factory service manual for say 1978 Volare, Lebaron, Diplomat or Aspen would give that information.

I have asked for help with a FSM on another forum to see if the info exists.

If it did than maybe I can find the same FSM for ( just as an instance ) 19?? Full size Dodge truck ( like my own ) and use the same items in my Carter re-build.

People have told me not to bother, some that I am wasting my time.

I disagree. How could it be a waste of time. Excessive maybe but look at that little spring in your own carb?? I dont think excessive.

Maybe the info is not avail. If thats the case than I will just take the easy way out and throw a Napa re-build kit in it.

I say take the easy way out but in fact I have ZERO experience with re-building this carb and so it will not be easy for me.

I am thinking of it this way.....if it were 1978 and I could go to dealer and order and carb I wanted but I owned a 1978 full size Dodge truck than would I order a carb for a 1978 Aspen?

Of course not, their are differences in internal calibrations.

Why do it twice now with switching out parts after its re-built and paying with it.

Maybe thats my only option at this point but I have to at least give it my best to try and find the ideal set-up now.

This is data for 8137s PART NO. PART NAME PART NO. PART NAME
*1A-403 Flange gasket 101-713A Bowl cover screw assembly (8173,74) (2)
2-321 Throttle valve (2) 101-714 Dust cover screw
3-1970S Throttle shaft & lever assembly (8136,73) 101-726 Throttle valve screw (4)
3-1972S Throttle shaft & lever assembly (8137,74,77, 8217,18) 103-14 Lead shot
7-341 Choke valve 103-15 Lead shot (2)
14-993S Choke lever & shaft assembly 105A-51 Dashpot lock nut (8173,74)
14-1045 Choke lever 105A-60 Dashpot lock nut (8136)
20-203 Needle seat gasket 111-120 Pump arm (8136,37)
21-235A Float assembly 111-126 Metering rod arm
24-23 Float pin 111-165 Pump arm (8173,74,77, 8217,18)
*25-1003S Needle & seat assembly 113-220S Pump & metering rod countershaft assembly
30A-223 Idle mixture screw (2) 115-538 Choke connector rod
51-96 Throttle shaft collar 115-546 Throttle connector rod
61-58 Idle & fast idle speed screw spring (2) 115-560 Fast idle connector rod
61-205 Vacuum piston spring (8177, 8218) *116-13 Pump discharge check ball
61-226 Vacuum piston spring (8136,37,73,74, 8217) *116-18 Pump intake check ball
61-451 Pump spring 117-217 Pump link
61-873 Idle mixture screw spring (2) 118-343 Dust cover
61-1024 Throttle return spring 118-362S Venturi cover assembly
63.238 Float pin retainer 120.386 Main metering jet (.086) (2)
*63-336 Retainer (2) *121-753 Venturi housing gasket
*64-463S Pump plunger & rod assembly "121-759 Dust cover gasket
75-2216 Metering rod (.0675 x .057) (8136) (2) *121-760 Body gasket
75-2228 Metering rod (.0665 x .056) (8137,77, 8217,18) . (2) *121-801 Venturi cover gasket
75-2261 Metering rod (.0675 x .055) (8173,74) (2) *121-805 Body flange gasket
*96-40 Idle mixture screw limiter cap (8177, 8217,18) . . (2) 136-326 Pump & metering rod arm washer (2)
101-296 Fast idle speed screw 145-303 Choke diaphragm hose
101-307S Air horn screw assembly (4) 160-341S Vacuum piston assembly
101-428 Choke diaphragm bracket screw (2) 164-39 Grommet seal (8136,37,77)
101-521S Bowl cover screw assembly (8136) 170-1331S Thermostatic coil, housing & rod assembly
101-544A Body screw assembly (2) 180-144 Dashpot bracket (8136)
101-563 Idle speed screw 180-296 Solenoid bracket (8173,74)
101-565 Fast idle cam screw 181-488 Fast idle cam (8136,73)
101.569 Venturi cluster screw (8136,37,73,77, 8217,18) . (2) 181-489 Fast idle cam (8137,74,77, 8217,18)
101-579 Venturi cluster screw (8174) (2) 186.149 Fuel bowl baffle
101-596 Choke valve screw (2) 202-462A Dashpot assembly (8136)
101-634 Choke lever screw 202-591S Choke diaphragm & bracket assembly
101-680A Body flange screw assembly (2) 213-90A Solenoid assembly (8173,74)
101-707 Pump & metering rod arm screw (2)

Well above did not work just right,my first time trying that ,ignore smile faces. My computer skills are very bad. Tried to copy and paste.

DECEMBER, 1977
Revised April, 1978
1978 "6"
DODGE W. - PLYMOUTH, R
ASPEN N VOLARE H
DIPLOMAT G LEBARON F
BBD DUAL DOWN-DRAFT CLIMATIC CONTROL CARBURETOR NOS. 8136S - 8137S - 8173S - 8174S -
8177S - 8217S - 8218S
MODEL ENG.
DISPL.
C.F.M. ORIGINAL
CARB.
ZIP KIT
NO.
H, N, F, G, R, VV M/T 225-2 220 8136S 902-325A
H, N, F, G, R, W, (3500 lbs.) A/T 225.2 220 8137S 902-325A
Mexico M/T 225-2 220 8173S 902-325A
Mexico A/T 225-2 220 8174S 902-325A
H, N, F, G, R, W, (4000 lbs.) (Canada) A/T 225-2 220 8177S 902-325A
I-I, N, F, G, R, W A/T 225-2 220 8217S 902-325A
H, N, F, G, R, W A/T 225-2 220 8218S 902-325A
CARBURETOR SPECIFICATIONS
AND
ADJUSTMENT DATA
(SEE BACK PAGE FOR PROCEDURE)
CARB.
NO.
THRO.
BORE FLOAT PUMP
FAST IDLE
CAM
LINKAGE
CHOKE
VACUUM
KICK
UNLOADER IDLE SETTING
8136S 1-7/16 1/4
,
15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 See decal in engine corn-
8137S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32 partment
8173S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32
8174S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32
8177S 1.7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32
8217S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32
8218S 1-7/16 1/4 1/2 5/64 7/64 9/32
MOTOR TUNE-UP - BE ACCURATE!
WHEN SERVICING CARBURETOR, ALWAYS REPLACE GASKETS, PUMP PLUNGER, NEEDLE & SEAT TO RESTORE
TOP PERFORMANCE, THESE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE IN CARTER ZIP KIT LISTED ABOVE.
INSTALL NEW CHOKE ASSEMBLY AT EVERY TUNEUP.
Carter
Carburetor
Division
Printed in U.S.A. St. Louis, Missouri 63132 U.S.A. FORM 56776 -Pg. 1
PDF compression, OCR, web optimization using a watermarked evaluation copy of CVISION PDFCompressor
MyMopar.com 8217 is sedan 3500# 8218 is wagon 4000#

110 1978 "6" CYLINDER DODGE TRUCK
BBD DUAL DOWN-DRAFT CLIMATIC CONTROL CARBURETOR NOS. 8149S - 8151S -
8152S - 8153S - 8176S - 8180S
MODEL
ENGINE
DISPL. C.F.M.
ORIGINAL
CARB. NO.
ZIP
KIT NO.
D, W, B-1 (Non-Calif.) M/T 225 285 8149S 902-325
0, W, B-1 (NonCalif.) A/T 225 285 8151S 902-325
D, W, B-1 (Calif.) M/T 225 285 8152S 902-325
0, W, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8153S 902-325
D, W-1, 2, 3, B-2, 3 (Non-Calif.) ALL/T 225 285 8176S 902-325
D, W-1, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8180S 902-325
CARBURETOR SPECIFICATIONS
AND
ADJUSTMENT DATA
(SEE BACK PAGE FOR PROCEDURE)
CARB.
NO.
THRO.
BORE
FLOAT PUMP FAST IDLE
LINKAGE
VACUUM
CHOKE
KICK
UNLOADER
8149S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
8151S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
8152S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32
8153S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
8176S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32
8180S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
MOTOR TUNE-UP - BE ACCURATE!
WHEN SERVICING CARBURETOR, ALWAYS REPLACE GASKETS, PUMP PLUNGER, NEEDLE & SEAT TO RESTORE
TOP PERFORMANCE; THESE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE IN CARTER ZIP KIT LISTED ABOVE.
INSTALL NEW CHOKE ASSEMBLY AT EVERY TUNE-UP.
Pi lilted in U.S.A.
Carter
Carburetor

110 1978 "6" CYLINDER DODGE TRUCK
BBD DUAL DOWN-DRAFT CLIMATIC CONTROL CARBURETOR NOS. 8149S - 8151S -
8152S - 8153S - 8176S - 8180S
MODEL
ENGINE
DISPL. C.F.M.
ORIGINAL
CARB. NO.
ZIP
KIT NO.
D, W, B-1 (Non-Calif.) M/T 225 285 8149S 902-325
0, W, B-1 (NonCalif.) A/T 225 285 8151S 902-325
D, W, B-1 (Calif.) M/T 225 285 8152S 902-325
0, W, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8153S 902-325
D, W-1, 2, 3, B-2, 3 (Non-Calif.) ALL/T 225 285 8176S 902-325
D, W-1, B-1 (Calif.) A/T 225 285 8180S 902-325
CARBURETOR SPECIFICATIONS
AND
ADJUSTMENT DATA
(SEE BACK PAGE FOR PROCEDURE)
CARB.
NO.
THRO.
BORE
FLOAT PUMP FAST IDLE
LINKAGE
VACUUM
CHOKE
KICK
UNLOADER
8149S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
8151S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
8152S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32
8153S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
8176S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 5/64 9/32
8180S 1-7/16 1/4 15/32 5/64 7/64 9/32
MOTOR TUNE-UP - BE ACCURATE!
WHEN SERVICING CARBURETOR, ALWAYS REPLACE GASKETS, PUMP PLUNGER, NEEDLE & SEAT TO RESTORE
TOP PERFORMANCE; THESE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE IN CARTER ZIP KIT LISTED ABOVE.
INSTALL NEW CHOKE ASSEMBLY AT EVERY TUNE-UP.
Pi lilted in U.S.A.
Carter
Carburetor

PARTS LIST
PART NO. PART NAME PART NO. PART NAME
14-403 Flange gasket ...... . ....... 101.707 Pump & metering rod arm screw
2.303 Throttle valve (8149) . . ....... . . (2) 101-713S Air horn screw assembly (exc. 8180) (2)
2.321 Throttle valve (8151, 52. 53, 76. 80) (2) 101-714 Dust cover screw
3.1970S Throttle shaft & lever assembly (8152) 101.726 Throttle valve screw (4)
3.1972S Throttle shalt & lever assembly (8149, 51, 53, 76, 80) 103.14 Lead shot
7.172 Choke valve (8149) 103.15 Lead shot (2)
7.341 Choke valve (8151, 52. 53, 16. 80) 105A-60 Modulator lock nut (8176)
14.993S Choke lever & shalt assembly 111-126 Metering rod arm
14.1045 Choke lever 111-165 Pump arm
20.203 Needle seat gasket 113.220S Purnp & metering rod countershaft assembly
21.235A Float assembly 115.538 Choke connector rod
24.23 Float pin 115.546 Throttle connector rod
25.1003S Needle & seal assembly 115.560 Fast idle connector rod
30A-223 Idle mixture screw (2) 116.13 Pump discharge check ball
51.96 Throttle shalt collar 116.18 Pump intake check ball
61.58 Idle & last idle speed screw spring (2) 117.217 Pump link
61.226 Vacuum piston spring . . (2) 118.335S Venturi cover assembly (8176)
61-451 Pump spi rig 118.343 Dust covet
61.873 Idle mixture screw sprin) (2) 118.362S Venturi cover assembly
61-1014 Throttle return spring (8176) 120.386 Main metering jet 1.086") (8149. 51. 52. 53. 80) . (2)
61-1124 Throttle return spring (8149. 51, 52. 53. 80) (2) 120.392 Main metering jet 1.092")(8176) . . .
63-238 Float pin retainer 121-753 Ventur i housing gasket
63.336 Returner (2) 121-759 Dust cover gasket
64-463S Pump plunger & rod assembly 121.760 Body gasket
75.2203 Metering rod (.071 X ,0571(8176) . . (2) 121.801 Venturi cover gasket .
75-2216 Metering rod (.0675 X .057)(8149) . (2) 121-805 Body flange gasket
75-2229 Meter ing rod 1.065 X .057)18152. 53) . . (2) 136.326 Pump & metering rod arm washer (2)
75.2241 Metering rod (.068 X .057)(8151) (2) 145.628 Choke diaphragm hose (2)
75-2264 Metering rod (.0645 X .057)(8180) (2) 156.182 Choke diaphragm tee
96-40 Idle mixture screw limiter cap (2) 160-341S Vacuum piston assembly
101-296 Fast idle speed screw 164.39 Grommet seal
101.307S All horn screw assembly (4) 170-1331S Thermostatic coil, housing & rod assembly
101.428 Choke diaphragm bracket screw (2) 180.270 Bracket modulator (8176)
101.544S Body screw assembly ..... (2) 181.488 Fast idle cam (8149, 52)
101.563 Idle speed screw 181.489 Fast idle cam 18151. 53, 76, 80)
101-565 Fast idle cam screw 186-149 Fuel bowl baffle
101,596 Choke valve screw (2) 202.580A Throttle modulator (8176)
101-634 Choke lever screw 202.590S Choke diaphragm & bracket assembly (8176)
101.639 Venturi cluster screw . . . . (2) 202.591S Choke diaphragm & bracket assembly (exc. 8176)
101.680A Body flange screw assembly . (

What type truck 1/2 ton ,auto or stick ?

That 8137s carb looks ok for 1/2 ton stick or auto.METERING ROD 75-2228 a little bit richer than the truck ones. 61-226 vacuum piston spring{THATS THE STUPID LITTLE SPRING} are the same. MAIN JET 120-386 {.086}the same. 118-362s venturi cover assembly{ thats the idle fuel feed and main system air bleed} are the same. Trucks for 1978 got 101-639 venturi cluster screw. Cars got 101-569 and in 79 the trucks got 101-569.Venturi cluster screws came in many different part numbers. Carter never printed the actual sizes just the part numbers. I have measured some of them. The cluster screws contain the the first idle air bleed and the economiser idle down channel restricter. 101-639 air .067 restrictor .055 101-569 air .059 restrictor also .059 So I think the better one is 101-569 . .059 lets less air in so the mix is richer and .059 is more open to down channel flow.

Thank-you sir, where was this information pulled from?

I will be working on absorbing all of this and putting it to good use. You were correct 1/2 ton.

Thanks again for your time

http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Carbs/Cart ... index.html This should have it

Thanks, someone directed me to this earlier today I believe. I had not the chance to sift thru it.